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Hiring a Railway Company / Contractor to Build you a Town Road Bridge

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Andy873

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I have been revisiting some bridge details (two in fact) the last few days, however a third one gave me a surprise.

How common was it to hire a railway company or railway contractor to build you a town road bridge?

Here I'm not talking about a road going over / under a railway line but one that crosses a river and leads towards the centre of a town. This particular bridge has these facts associated with it:

Designed by Sturges Meek (Chief engineer of the L&Y at the time), and Mr Stone who got the job to build the bulk of this particular branch line. It was paid for by one of the local Lords and not the railway company?

This bridge carries a new road over a river and was completed in 1875 and bares an inscription with the above details on it.

Finally, this bridge was called Station Road bridge, it runs East to West and is met with Railway Road which heads South to the new station. Another existing road / town bridge was close by and also led to the station.

You could argue this new bridge and the road it carried was an approach road to the new station, if so, why didn't the L&Y pay for it? are there other examples where this kind of arrangement took place?
 
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This may not be the whole answer but, basically, the railway said your 500 tons of coal and 50 wagons of cotton bales are in our goods yard, come and collect them.

so the local worthy’s and mill owners built a road for their horses and carts to increase their profitabity.

in reality it surely would have all been arranged ‘in private‘ as the mill owners and worthies were likely large share holders in the railway
 

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Firstly, if the bridge was built around the same time as the railway, it might just be that the contractor was able to put in the lowest bid. He had the labour and equipment on site so he avoided one element of the costs.

Looking at the bridge in question: could it be for access to the gasworks? How suitable for heavier road traffic was the existing bridge? Was there ever a plan to extend the goods yard into the area west of Railway Road?

Was the L&Y architect a full employee or just a consultant? If he was a full employee, was he allowed to seek other work?
 

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The financing of the railways and their business practices is worthy of a lifetime study.;) ’George Hudson’

Brunel may have built Bristol to London but the money came from shipowners and merchants who saw it as a means of vastly increasing their profits, even if their initial investment was lost.

i think the real answer to your question lies in the depths of Britain’s social history.
 

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Another example of a railway building a road bridge across a river can be found at Richmond in North Yorkshire. The branch ended SE of the town on the far side of the River Swale. So the railway company built a four-arch bridge across the river to link the station to the town.
The branch line opened in 1846 and for 70 years the bridge just served the station. But in WW1 the expansion of Catterick Camp (also served by a branch off the branch) led to the construction of a new road past the station to link to the existing Richmond-Catterick road - now the A6136.
The bridge, known just as Station Bridge, was renamed 'Mercury Bridge' in 1975 in connection with a long association between Richmond and the Royal Corps of Signals. Interestingly the bridge parapets carry cast-iron number plates in a style common to railways!
(The branch closed in March 1969. I acknowledge the information above came from the Oakwood Press book "The Catterick Camp Military Railway and the Richmond Branch" by A J Ludlam, published 1993.)
 

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Brunel may have built Bristol to London but the money came from shipowners and merchants who saw it as a means of vastly increasing their profits, even if their initial investment was lost.
Looks to be similar here, Lord Starkie owned a large portion of the town and surrounding area, as did Lord Kay-Shuttleworth. Another portion further South was the property of the Towneley family (Burnley). Certainly as far as the first two Lords were concerned they would welcome and encourage the town to expand, as long as it didn't encroach on to their own private estates.

From their point of view, more buildings means more income from ground rents, leases, sale of land etc. And so I believe this is why Lord Starkie put his hand in his pocket for this new road bridge roughly 155 feet long and 30 wide.

The original road bridge was very old, already in existence by 1755 when the main road through the town became a hated turn pike toll road. This bridge runs North - South however the North end is around 30 feet wide but the Southern end only around twenty. This bridge was part of the turn pike road so you'd have to pay to use it. Two reasons straight off for building a new modern bridge.

By 1844 I can already see four cotton mills established in the North Eastern part of the town, and by 1890 I can see at least 12 clumped together there, all needing to cross the river for the station.

The new bridge has phrases describing "free use" and for the "benefit of the town's trade and commerce", you would also avoid that turn pike road, except to cross it from one side to another.

Looking at the bridge in question: could it be for access to the gasworks?
It would certainly have helped bringing the coal to it with no turn pike toll to pay.

Was there ever a plan to extend the goods yard into the area west of Railway Road?
Strangely enough - yes there was of a fashion... The L&Y's proposed bill (November 1866) suggested building a short dead end siding from close the to station approach area and West terminating just inside Lord Kay Shuttleworth's estate. Parliament approved the line but not this short section into his estate.

Was the L&Y architect a full employee or just a consultant? If he was a full employee, was he allowed to seek other work?
No idea on that one, Sturges Meek (L&Y Chief engineer) would certainly know of people in the drawing office of HO in Manchester where he was based. Lord Starkie would also know of plenty Architects so it's anyone's guess.

From the point of hiring Meek and Stone for the bridge work:

Mr Stone and his company had already gone though Lord Starkie's land to the West of the town, He would have been well placed to "inspect" Mr Stone's work and would have been well aware of the Ten arch 600 plus long stone viaduct his team had just finished building (1874). Hiring Stone would have been no problem, it's simply one more contract.

Mr Meek is a different kettle of fish - perhaps the L&Y allowed him to "supervise" the bridge build, after all the bridge would have benefitted the company and not cost them a penny! but it's anyone guess really.

Another example of a railway building a road bridge across a river can be found at Richmond in North Yorkshire. The branch ended SE of the town on the far side of the River Swale. So the railway company built a four-arch bridge across the river to link the station to the town.
The branch line opened in 1846 and for 70 years the bridge just served the station. But in WW1 the expansion of Catterick Camp (also served by a branch off the branch) led to the construction of a new road past the station to link to the existing Richmond-Catterick road - now the A6136.
Thank you John, at least one more example!

Just quickly going back to Meek and Stone, Mr Stone had the contract to build the line up to just outside the town, the other section was awarded to a Mr Gregson, even though his section was relatively easy to construct it looks like sometime in 1874 he was in financial difficulties and by all accounts couldn't finish the job. The L&Y of course lost confidence in him and Mr Stone was simply given the extra contract to build all three stations, two on his section and this one on Gregson's stretch. And so Mt Stone ended up working on part of a section of line he didn't bid for - the town's station.

The bottom line was that I was surprised to read that Meek and Stone were involved in a non railway project whilst the line was still unfinished - but then again what's a low two arch stone road bridge when you've already built a large 65 foot high viaduct with ten arches and over 600 feet long?
 

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I understand the bridge over the Calder in Dewsbury on Mill Street West was built under an arrangement like this with the Midland Railway. As it turned out the railway there was something of a white elephant as the proposed line through to a new through station in Bradford leading towards Settle & Carlisle never got any further than Dewsbury which was already served by more convenient L&Y, LNWR & GNR stations, so the Midland one was only ever a goods yard. The bridge, nearby walls, and long ,thin, goods shed remain though.

Speaking of the LNWR, their station up the valley at Cleckheaton required a rather impressive access viaduct to be built to reach it from the town side of the valley.

 

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Brockweir Road Bridge across the River Wye just north of Tintern linking Monmouthshire and Gloucestershire is a railway style bridge constructed for road traffic to replace a former foot ferry.

Its Grade II listing states: "It is rare as an example of an early C20 road bridge using methods similar to those used in C19 railway construction."

"The nearby Wye Valley Railway was built to the designs of chief engineer Samuel Yockney and opened in 1876 to improve trade between local market towns. His son, Sydney Yockney, and grandson, Algernon Yockney, both prominent engineers in their era, designed Brockweir Bridge. It was built in the manner of C19 railway bridges in 1905, but serves only pedestrian and motor vehicles. "

 
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Fiddown on the Kilkenny/Waterford border in Ireland was an example where the railway not only built the bridge (to connect the town of Portlaw and other places south of the River Suir to Fiddown station) but owned it and charged a toll until as late as the 1970s, see https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Fiddown_Bridge:

As it was provided for the benefit of the railway, the bridge became property of the rail infrastructure operator, CIÉ. After the station closed but the bridge became important to the community, CIÉ continued to maintain it with a 1p toll charged. They saw this operation as a nuisance and were eventually able to pass responsibility to the local councils, meaning that toll charges ended in 1976.
 
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