Historically accurate TOCs

[Sad Sprinter]

I know TOCs are dead, but you know what I mean. If we were rearranging the current TOCs by historical patterns, what would change? Off the top of my head:

GWR loses some branches in the West Country to SWR

CAT/TAT goes to South Eastern

Leeds to Carlisle goes to EMR

North Downs goes from GWR to SouthEastern

 

[Zomboid]

Going back to pre 1923?

I dread to think what would happen to Northern, it looks like a right old mishmash of former LNWR, L&Y, Midland, GNR, NER, MSLR and probably a bunch of others that I've forgotten and then confused by the various chords which have been added over the years so duplicate routes can be closed...

Might be less of a horror show if it went to the big 4, at least there's only two major players in the area then...

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I know TOCs are dead, but you know what I mean. If we were rearranging the current TOCs by historical patterns, what would change? Off the top of my head:

Leeds to Carlisle goes to EMR

Erm, why? Would be a stand alone EMR service outside the rest of the EMR network.

 

[The Mercian]

With apologies to SadSprinter but why? It’s this type of thinking big 4, pre nationalisation, nationalised, privatised TOCs, route specific operators that holds UK Railways back along with the frankly perverse notion that it only matters if it’s going to London. The economic geography of the UK has changed massively in the last 50 years it’s about time the railways were organised to reflect that. I’d hope much more focus from GBR on city region and wider intra/inter region operations and a national Inter City and HS operation. I long for the day “TOCs” are removed and replaced with things that actually resemble the passengers and voters they serve.

 

[Sad Sprinter]

With apologies to SadSprinter but why? It’s this type of thinking big 4, pre nationalisation, nationalised, privatised TOCs, route specific operators that holds UK Railways back along with the frankly perverse notion that it only matters if it’s going to London. The economic geography of the UK has changed massively in the last 50 years it’s about time the railways were organised to reflect that. I’d hope much more focus from GBR on city region and wider intra/inter region operations and a national Inter City and HS operation. I long for the day “TOCs” are removed and replaced with things that actually resemble the passengers and voters they serve.

Was just a thought experiment to see what the changes would be.

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Erm, why? Would be a stand alone EMR service outside the rest of the EMR network.

well you could merge the Leeds to Nottingham service into EMR too

 

[A S Leib]

Parts of the East London line and the Crossrail core and Abbey Wood branch would stay with TfL, but most of London Overground wouldn't.