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Hypothetical idea: enhanced dwell times on Sundays?

Leogilbert007

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So as we all know and like to complain about, Sunday service is… well, Sunday service. I live in Greater London, but even then the number of destinations from my local station halves and there’s 2tph instead of 4tph.

Which brings me onto an idea I had: Given there are fewer services on Sundays throughout the country, and so timetables can be slightly less rigid, could we not extend dwell times slightly, to allow more people to catch trains?
Using as an example my local station: RTT shows a one minute dwell time at Gipsy Hill for today’s 17:45 London Victoria train. This dwell time, only on Sundays (as doing so on other days would affect a tighter service pattern), could be extended to two or even 2.5 minutes. This would allow more people to make the train and, since the next train on P2 isn’t for another 30 minutes with no fast trains through the station, would have zero impact on the next workings. Throughout the country this equals less missed connections, less missed trains, and therefore a more positive experience of Sunday service.

Am I missing something or being short-sighted? Is this useless?


EDIT: people that are more knowledgeable than me have pointed out that this is a stupid idea
 
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The Planner

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Not sure what you are getting at? Are you saying the trains run late as too many people are getting on/off? As otherwise I don't see the point, the train isn't going to depart with people trying to get on. If your train now has longer dwells its going to miss a connection further on.
 

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So as we all know and like to complain about, Sunday service is… well, Sunday service. I live in Greater London, but even then the number of destinations from my local station halves and there’s 2tph instead of 4tph.

Which brings me onto an idea I had: Given there are fewer services on Sundays throughout the country, and so timetables can be slightly less rigid, could we not extend dwell times slightly, to allow more people to catch trains?
Using as an example my local station: RTT shows a one minute dwell time at Gipsy Hill for today’s 17:45 London Victoria train. This dwell time, only on Sundays (as doing so on other days would affect a tighter service pattern), could be extended to two or even 2.5 minutes. This would allow more people to make the train and, since the next train on P2 isn’t for another 30 minutes with no fast trains through the station, would have zero impact on the next workings. Throughout the country this equals less missed connections, less missed trains, and therefore a more positive experience of Sunday service.

Am I missing something or being short-sighted? Is this useless?
I don't understand the need. Do people really consistently arrive 1 minute too late on Sundays?
And how many passengers would be lost by the extended journey time (7+ minutes to Victoria....), compared with the number gained because they know they can risk being a minute later?
 

Leogilbert007

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Not sure what you are getting at? Are you saying the trains run late as too many people are getting on/off? As otherwise I don't see the point, the train isn't going to depart with people trying to get on. If your train now has longer dwells its going to miss a connection further on.

I don't understand the need. Do people really consistently arrive 1 minute too late on Sundays?
And how many passengers would be lost by the extended journey time (7+ minutes to Victoria....), compared with the number gained because they know they can risk being a minute later?
Good points, I was indeed being short-sighted
 

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