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Infrastructure Fault Fixing - Different NR Regions Different Timescales

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I'm a train driver who has driven in a few different NR regions and the timescales within which things like TSRs/ESRs, signalling defects, points failures are fixed seem to vary massively. Are there big differences in funding/investment (adjusted for mileage) in each region or is it largely down to management and culture?

From experience I've noticed that generally speaking West Coast seem to resolve things very quickly but Wessex take an absolute age to do anything (despite the abundance of NR vans parked near my depot), has anyone else got experience of things like this?
 
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As well as different routes, the response varies widely across a route.

There are many factors. For a start, not all the different infrastructure functions (departments) staff will necessarily be based at each depot. One depot may be track (P.Way) only. Another may be S&T only. Yes, some of the more modern larger depots may have multiple functions staff all based there.

Some depots are CAPEX / Works Delivery / Projects or come under another name (I forget what the Wales route calls them). They don’t normally respond to failures or incidents as they are not directly part of the maintenance organisation.

The second big issue is that not all functions have 24 hour / seven day a week cover. And even if a function does have this, not all depots have round the clock shifts for fault cover.

Typically S&T have 24 hour / seven day a week cover where there is always at least one team on duty for whichever is the most important depot in a given area. Well that’s the theory. In practice if just one S&T person goes sick or the manger can’t find anyone willing to work overtime to cover an uncovered post, then that depot doesn’t have a team. So that area has to be covered by a team from an adjoining area.

The size of the area can also be large anyway. As an example, Exeter S&T cover up to just outside Bristol!

Track (P.Way) typically doesn’t normally have 24 hour / seven day a week cover, instead they use ‘on-call’ arrangements. In my former area, Fault Control would call the on-call supervisor. They would then call out his/her on call P.Way staff.

Travelling time is a big factor in response time. Especially if a team is at the other end of their patch. Travel times can be in excess of one hour for S&T. Often longer for staff that are on-call. As they may have to go to this depot first.

Thirdly, Network Rail ranks each line or portions of a line in how important it considers it to be on a scale of 1 to 5. Lines that have a higher importance almost always are treated as a priority. They get the most maintenance and preferential response to failures and incidents. Including pulling teams off of other faults to attend the problem(s) on the higher importance lines. Faults on branch lines or other lower importance lines may have to wait for days before anyone attends.

Over the years since Network Rail started attacking the maintenance budget, there have been closures of depots (with the remaining staff moving to larger depots), a reduction of staff numbers and areas that are covered changing as boundaries have been changed. Hence in general there are less teams to respond to failures overall.

In addition, the railway has moved away from lookout warning systems (‘red zone’) and instead works towards more and more line blocks and T3 occupations (‘green zone’) working. This has knock on effects on fault attendance.

Firstly if most of your staff are on nights because that’s the only time that the work can be done (a block being unpractical during the day when the most trains are running) you can’t call them out during the morning when they are asleep after working all night.

And secondly, a team that does attend a failure during the day spend a large amount of time waiting for a line block to be granted. And then they may have to do the work in short bits as they have to keep giving the block up for trains to run. Hence completing a job takes a lot longer.

As the amount of resources have been reduced, in the S&T, there are now less teams that have fault attendance as their priority. Instead routine maintenance is often deemed by the local manager to be the higher priority. With less urgent faults having to wait.

And yes, local management means that there will be differences both within areas and between routes.
 
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The size of the area can also be large anyway. As an example, Exeter S&T cover up to just outside Bristol!

Travelling time is a big factor in response time. Especially if a team is at the other end of their patch. Travel times can be in excess of one hour for S&T. Often longer for staff that are on-call. As they may have to go to this depot first.

Thirdly, Network Rail ranks each line or portions of a line in how important it considers it to be on a scale of 1 to 5. Lines that have a higher importance almost always are treated as a priority. They get the most maintenance and preferential response to failures and incidents. Including pulling teams off of other faults to attend the problem(s) on the higher importance lines.

At night in particular, fault teams may cover very large areas. I have heard of cases of fault teams spending most of their shift travelling - as soon as they get to one fault, they are pulled off for a higher priority fault at the other end of their patch, then as soon as they get to that one, they are pulled off for an even higher priority fault.

Also, a fault team may not have competence in all the equipment on their patch, e.g. all the different interlocking types. Some faults may require specialists in that equipment to attend.
 

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At night in particular, fault teams may cover very large areas.
The Edinburgh SC nightshift used to cover the entire box area which was most of Fife, the Border on ECML, the Carstairs and Shotts lines, Millerhill plus the E&G as far as Linlithgow. One ’oddity’ was that the Portobello Technician Officer (dayshift only) covered the train describer at Tweedmouth which was in another Region!
 
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The Edinburgh SC nightshift used to cover the entire box area which was most of Fife, the Border on ECML, the Carstairs and Shotts lines, Millerhill plus the E&G as far as Linlithgow. One ’oddity’ was that the Portobello Technician Officer (dayshift only) covered the train describer at Tweedmouth which was in another Region!
I have a strange link to a few of the replies in this thread. I've actually, over my near 20 years in the railway, worked in the S&T at Bristol (Temple Meads and Parkway), Exeter, Carstairs (twice), Motherwell and Haymarket and can speak to the geography of a few sections.

Haymarket S&T (or Edinburgh Central S&T to give it its "Sunday" name), which I left just over a year ago, are 24/7 these days and cover a section from just east of Abbeyhill to Drumgelloch/Linlithgow Viaduct/Breich/Woolfords and the Forth Bridge (about 1/3 of the way across).

Carstairs S&T are 24/7 and cover from Wishaw to the territory boundary just south of Cove LC (roughly where the A74(M) passes over the WCML) and to Woolfords. Except, when Dumfries S&T are out (only 2 teams, so only about 70hrs a week), and they take on the WCML from Greskine (between Summit and Beattock) south. But because Dumfries also cover the GSW, we at Carstairs still often find ourselves down there because Dumfries are dealing with something at Kirkconnel. When Dumfries aren't out, Irvine S&T cover the GSW (Carstairs can't due to the lack of competencies held by us for mechanical signalling).

The point being, to the original poster, is that while the S&T do usually have 24/7 coverage, the sections can be massive. If Newbridge Junction fails while I was in Edinburgh Waverley, I'd have to fight my way out through city traffic and 20mph limits to get there. I did actually once respond to a failure at Newbridge quicker from my house in Motherwell than the shift team in the city centre did.

In Carstairs, If I'm at say, Auchengray AHB, and Cove MCB-CCTV fails, then it will take (according to Google) 1hr 17mins to get there (69 miles), assuming I can jump in the van straight away, there's zero traffic and Google doesn't account for the fact that the NSL for a van is 50mph.

Then that's all assuming staff are available. We have been cut from 3 person teams to 2 person teams. So it now just takes a single call off to effectively disable a signalling team (because of the independence of testing requirements, electrical safety, the limit to "patrol and examen" when on the line alone). I of course still respond when alone, but I'm pretty limited until Motherwell or Dumfries or someone else competent turns up. Save a couple of quid here, spend 5x that amount over there.
 

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Some more examples from an S&T perspective to highlight the difference between areas. First, my previous section, bit of a mix of urban and rural on the Western route, then my current city location in Scotland.

We could quite easily be an hour's drive from one end of the section to another. It wasn't a particularly rural section, and a large part of it followed the M4. One week, every day when we got to the outskirts of the western-most town to attempt to do our planned maintenance we got called to the junction at the eastern border of our section. Other times we'd be mid-way through a walk through doing maintenance when the phone rang, so we'd first have to walk back to the van. Back when S&T was afforded the luxury of three person teams we'd nominate someone to drive round and pick us up at the other end (or at an intermediate access point if a fault came in), so in theory we'd never be more than halfway from our van. Once they took us down to two person teams that option disappeared, so you had to walk all the way out and all the way back, and if a fault came in when you're at the far end... tough! One location we did as a two mile walk out, cross the line at the public crossing, and then a two mile walk back to catch the locations on the other side of the track. It never happened, but you'd be looking at potentially over an hour for us just to make it back to the van. I did once even ask if we could split that maintenance over two days and claim a half hour bus journey back to the van to reduce the risk of that situation, but was told no.

We only had one team the vast majority of the time, who covered maintenance and faulting. Some times, mostly nights, we'd also have a dedicated pointcare team, but I can count on one hand the number of times I can remember them attending faults. We theoretically also had a maintenance team, but with staff shortages and sickness they functionally didn't exist. I'm not sure if that team still exists even on paper post-modernisation. This meant that there was generally a choice between faults or maintenance getting done, and a high chance that the fault team would be partway through maintenance when called out rather than at a central location.

We weren't a section that covered a larger area at night, but it wouldn't be that unusual to have to travel to neighbouring sections to assist with cable faults. As teams are required at both ends of a cable for testing, at least four people are required. More might be needed if a large cable had to be run out as you need bodies to physically pull it along the track. Other times we might be needed for something urgent when they couldn't cover it themselves because of illness or lack of competency. One time they ended up with the lone person remaining from their depot, two of us, and four of the next section all down there for a signal failure. I have no idea why they decided to send the third section (and ultimately they weren't very helpful as they took a wrong turn and got the van stuck in a field before reaching us...) but someone made the call to risk leaving their section exposed to any failures. Another time I was nearly asked to go to a fault two sections away and about two hours down the motorway in the middle of the day because there was no one more competent any closer on Western route. There probably would have been if they'd looked outside the route, but there wasn't any mechanism for that back then, and I'm doubtful if there is now, even post-"modernisation". Fortunately for me it turned out I wasn't competant on that exact variant.

The geographic spread of the section also meant that if a part was required that we didn't have in the van it could be a significant distance to travel to obtain a spare. We experimented with "squirrel stores" in strategic locations a few times but it never stuck.

On other hand, as our section was largely a two track railway with minimal loops and alternative routes, if that fault phone rang we'd be straight in the van and on the way because we knew that we'd be afforded access to get in. There would usually be at least 5-10 minute margins we could use between trains, even during the day, and even if we needed longer the impact of the fault on services usually meant that it would be beneficial to hold a train to grant us access. Point failures typically meant that a train would be stuck until we got there, so we'd be getting in, no doubt. I hated it when we started using an iPhone as the fault phone as the sound of someone else's ringtone used to trigger a "OK got to go" reaction even when I wasn't on shift.

My current location operates quite differently in a lot of respects as it's much more urban.

The section is geographically denser. Typically we can be anywhere within the section within 20-30 minutes, unless it's at a particularly bad time for road traffic. The frequency of train services mean that access for maintenance during train running times is practically nothing, so teams are normally on standby in a central location rather than out doing maintenance during the day. Spare parts are also a lot closer to hand, or often there's another team available to drop whatever it is off to us.

We have at least one maintenance shift out every night, so that maintenance can still be carried out if there are faults, or if more than one team is required to attend to urgent faults or faults which need more personnel that one team can provide there's that flexibility. It's much less likely that we will need to draw resources from neighbouring depots, and although sometimes we have to assist them due to staff shortages it doesn't leave us totally uncovered. It does still happen, especially post-modernising maintenance, but far less than in sections with fewer teams. Our location also means that teams are much closer to each other than elsewhere. I've been to other sections to help out a couple of times and still never been more than an hour's travel from the opposite end of my own section. The density of depots is also useful if there's a shortage of spares; it can be collected by road in short order rather than having to arrange someone putting it on a train for an hour or two's journey and hoping it arrives safely at the other end!

The big difference in response times though—and this was a struggle for me to adjust to—is that the density of the network normally means that faults have less impact. The vast majority of the time we'll call the signaller before leaving and be told to leave it until after traffic as they can work round about it. There's only really a few point failures that will make us rush because we know they have no alternative options for those. Faults typically just get noted during the day and then mopped up by the night shift fault team instead of being fixed as and when they come in. The delays that would be caused by granting us access are greater than those that will be directly caused by the fault itself.
 

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Thank you all for the detailed replies and sorry it's taken so long to reply myself, I've been snowed under the past few days. Unsurprisingly it seems there's a lot of things which we never get to know about in the depot messroom, I can't help but feel as though NR maintenance is massively understaffed and that it's no doubt gotten worse since the redundancies the other year.
 

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Two main Wessex specific issues that are not mentioned or only alluded to above are

- Wessex maintenance teams have to deal with some of the worst road traffic in the country, and for the most part the major roads aren’t parallel to rail lines so it’s minor roads, which snarls things up even more

- Such is the intensity of service that when they do arrive at the access point it’s very difficult to get a line blockage immediately, or for a very long time. Signallers and COSSs alike are very skilled at working with narrow time windows to grant blockages in that part of the world, but neither of them can turn back the tide. It really can’t be overstated how busy and complex a railway it is on the signalling side, with very few places to hide.
 

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