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Last 2 in passenger service SWR 707's

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Surely takes the record as the one class of train that has had the shortest lifespan of the franchise it was intended for?
If it does, at 6 years, it will be beaten later this year by 68+Mk5 at TPE, with 4 and a bit years.

Fairly similar to the 6 years that 170s managed with Midland Main Line.
 

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If it does, at 6 years, it will be beaten later this year by 68+Mk5 at TPE, with 4 and a bit years.

Fairly similar to the 6 years that 170s managed with Midland Main Line.
Class 68 of course would not count, only MK5A.

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What is the significance of this working sorry? It goes onto form another loop, and then a Strawberry Hill terminator, so it can’t be the final 707 service?
 

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Class 68 of course would not count, only MK5A.


What is the significance of this working sorry? It goes onto form another loop, and then a Strawberry Hill terminator, so it can’t be the final 707 service?
After 2O63 they form 5Y92 to Wimbledon Depot. Changes haven't been uploaded yet
 
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Surely takes the record as the one class of train that has had the shortest lifespan of the franchise it was intended for?
GWR's 769/9s (which differed from other 769s in retaining DC capability) managed zero years.
 

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The franchise they were intended for was Stagecoach's SWT, but they lost out to First Group's SWR bid "look Mr DfT, we offer all new shiny trains, not that other lot's old ones, albeit very recently expensively upgraded." (I wonder hiw those shiny new trains are getting in, six years later?)
I recall SWT did manage one working of a 707 before the franchise was transferred.
 

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The franchise they were intended for was Stagecoach's SWT, but they lost out to First Group's SWR bid "look Mr DfT, we offer all new shiny trains, not that other lot's old ones, albeit very recently expensively upgraded." (I wonder hiw those shiny new trains are getting in, six years later?)
I recall SWT did manage one working of a 707 before the franchise was transferred.
But we also know very well from the franchise ITT that it was the DfT that moved the goalposts for dwell times and they wanted the 707s replacing.
 

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But we also know very well from the franchise ITT that it was the DfT that moved the goalposts for dwell times and they wanted the 707s replacing.
Do the 707s use the same "slower" Pneumatic door openings like the 450/350/360s? I remember chatting to the Guard on a train to Feltham, and he said he preffered the 458s for that reason as they had much quicker (electric?) mechanisms. Still, I never felt they were much slower than the 458s, and more importantly they were wider than the 455s, so never 100% understood why all the trains were being replaced.


PS. I should really know the mech for the 707s, as I have been on them plenty of times, but am embaressed to say I did not fully notice!
 

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Do the 707s use the same "slower" Pneumatic door openings like the 450/350/360s? I remember chatting to the Guard on a train to Feltham, and he said he preffered the 458s for that reason as they had much quicker (electric?) mechanisms. Still, I never felt they were much slower than the 458s, and more importantly they were wider than the 455s, so never 100% understood why all the trains were being replaced.


PS. I should really know the mech for the 707s, as I have been on them plenty of times, but am embaressed to say I did not fully notice!
No. They have very fast sliding doors. The Desiro Cities (700, 707, 717) are very different inside from the older Desiros.
 

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so never 100% understood why all the trains were being replaced.
Because the new franchisee promised to replace the recently-retractioned 455s, the recently acquired 456s, the recentky rebuilt and lengthened 458s and the brand new 707s, with a standard fleet of shiny new trains by 2019.

The 456s have gone off lease, the 707s have gone to a new franchisee, the 458s are being converted back to 4-car after the class 442 debacle, and the 455s are rapidly running out of hours before their next scheduled maintenance. The shiny new trains are still in pristine condition - unfortunately that is because no paying passenger has yet been inside one.
 
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Presumably on weekdays it will be the current weekday diagram for 707024 + 707030?

2D90 0618 Epsom - Waterloo
2J09 0706 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J16 0753 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2D15 0854 Waterloo - Guildford
2D28 1045 Guildford - Waterloo
2J29 1206 Waterloo - Hampton Court
2J36 1254 Hampton Court - Waterloo
2H35 1342 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H44 1441 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H43 1542 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H52 1641 Shepperton - Waterloo
2H51 1742 Waterloo - Shepperton
2H98 1850 Shepperton - Waterloo
2O63 2030 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K67 2157 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O75 2330 Waterloo - Kingston (FX)
2O77 0001 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill (FO)

I do not know about the weekend because of the engineering work affecting trains via Putney
 
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