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Location of the two preserved Pugs

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Does anyone know the current locations of the two preserved ex-L&YR Pugs, LMS No. 11243 and BR No. 51218? I can see from the www that they have travelled around quite a bit, but it's not clear (to me anyway) where they are now, and whether they are operational.

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Hello All

Does anyone know the current locations of the two preserved ex-L&YR Pugs, LMS No. 11243 and BR No. 51218? I can see from the www that they have travelled around quite a bit, but it's not clear (to me anyway) where they are now, and whether they are operational.

best regards ... Stef

I saw 51218 in the museum at Oxenhope on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway last week. It’s cosmetically restored but not operational currently.
 

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Here's what Mr W Pedia's excellent encyclopaedia says about them:

"Two "Pugs" have survived into preservation, both through the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Trust.

L&YR No. 19 (LMS No. 11243), built in 1910, was sold by the LMS into industry in 1931 and was acquired by the Trust from the United Glass Bottle Manufacturers Ltd. at Charlton in 1967. It was found to be in poor mechanical condition and was later placed on static display pending overhaul, most recently at the Ribble Steam Railway. In early 2020 the locomotive moved to the East Lancashire Railway in Bury. Following an inspection of its condition, it was decided to proceed with restoring it to working order. This restoration is now in progress.

L&YR No. 68 (LMS No. 11218, BR No. 51218), built in 1901, was purchased directly from British Rail in 1964 and moved to the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway in January 1965. The locomotive was re-tubed in 1974 and took part in the Stockton & Darlington Railway cavalcade that year. The locomotive was overhauled again in 1997 and continued in service, albeit mostly as a shunting locomotive due to its low power, until its boiler tubes required replacement in 2006. The locomotive carried its original identity of L&YR 68 from 2004 onwards, but has been cosmetically restored in 2018 to 51218 for the K&WVR's 50th Anniversary Gala, reflecting that 51218 was the first loco to arrive in 1965. Overhaul is now under consideration at Haworth on the K&WVR as the restoration of 0-6-0ST No. 752 has now been completed at the East Lancashire Railway."

I, too, saw No. 51218 at Oxenhope last month.
 

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Does anyone know why very small locomotives are called Pugs? It's something that's intrigued me ever since I was a kid.
 

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Does anyone know why very small locomotives are called Pugs? It's something that's intrigued me ever since I was a kid.
I had an idea it originated in Scotland (the CR and/or NBR), where all small tank engines were called pugs. Even the large Caledonian 4-6-2 tanks gained the nickname 'Wemyss Bay Pugs' amongst enginemen.
 

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Martin Loader (hondawanderer) has several cracking images of 51218 (masquerading as scrapped classmate 51222) in steam during a private photo charter at Goole Docks on 15th March 2003. Rather difficult for me to pick out more than one image, so three of my personal picks are linked below. They can all be found at the bottom of the 'LMS Steam' section of his site, which includes one of 218 on static display at Oxenhope this past March.




Does anyone know why very small locomotives are called Pugs? It's something that's intrigued me ever since I was a kid.
I had an idea it originated in Scotland (the CR and/or NBR), where all small tank engines were called pugs. Even the large Caledonian 4-6-2 tanks gained the nickname 'Wemyss Bay Pugs' amongst enginemen.
I believe the name, in this context, does indeed have origins in Scotland. Quoting Mr. Pedia:

‘Pug’ was a Scottish dialect word meaning ‘monkey’, and so inferring an ugly appearance. It is suggested that this led to the term being applied to the short and squat shunting engines.

Alternatively, the name is derived from the Pug breed of dog. Again quoting the Wiki:

An alternative suggestion is that the name is derived from the small sturdy Pug dog, an ancient and well known breed with a snub nose, wrinkled face, and squarish body. Most pug locomotives were saddle tanks, with an overall appearance that was flat-fronted, and squat or square.
 

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19/11243 is now operational - superb work by all concerned.
There is a photo of it dragging the Class 24 in Buckley Wells Yard in the Summer 22 issue of "Push and Pull" (KWVR magazine).
 
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