MAN-NOT OPR question

[P156KWJ]

Hi,
Was wondering if my route I want to take on a return journey from Manchester Pic to Nottingham is valid with a Child off-peak return. In the morning on the way to Manchester, I know my route is valid:
Nottingham-Chesterfield - Sheffield - Manchester, but is this valid:

Manchester-Stoke on Trent (Virgin)
Stoke on Trent - Derby (EMT)
Derby - Nottingham (AXC)

Is this valid with an OPR?

 

[1D53]

Its valid! (maps EM+MH).

 

[dan_atki]

Valid on map combination EM+MH.

 

[P156KWJ]

excellent, that means some new route coverage and a bit of variety to the usual 185s

 

[91101]

And not a rail replacement bus in sight!

 

[P156KWJ]

 

[First class]

NRES just gave me this route:

MANCHESTER-CREWE (NORTHERN)
CREWE-NUNEATON (VIRGIN - EX-LIVERPOOL)
NUNEATON-LEICESTER (XC - EX-BIRMINGHAM NS)
LEICESTER-DERBY (EMT - EX-STP)

Also gave an option for changing at Tamworth...

DEFINITELY VALID HERE:

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 132 miles 51 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 132 miles 51 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 194 miles 76 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 194 miles 76 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 176 miles 70 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 176 miles 70 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

 

[glynn80]

NRES just gave me this route:

MANCHESTER-CREWE (NORTHERN)
CREWE-NUNEATON (VIRGIN - EX-LIVERPOOL)
NUNEATON-LEICESTER (XC - EX-BIRMINGHAM NS)
LEICESTER-DERBY (EMT - EX-STP)

Also gave an option for changing at Tamworth...

DEFINITELY VALID HERE:

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 132 miles 51 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 134 miles 23 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 132 miles 51 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 154 miles 1 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 152 miles 29 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Tamworth, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 194 miles 76 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 196 miles 48 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 194 miles 76 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Melton Mowbray, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 176 miles 70 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

or

Distance: 176 miles 70 chains
From Manchester Piccadilly to Stockport, to Cheadle Hulme, to Kidsgrove via Macclesfield, to Stoke-on-Trent, to Barlaston, to Rugeley Trent Valley (avoiding Stafford), to Lichfield Trent Valley, to Aston, to Hamstead via Perry Barr, to Bescot, to Wolverhampton (few trains), to Smethwick Galton Bridge, to Smethwick Rolfe Street, to Birmingham New Street, to Water Orton, to Nuneaton, to Leicester, to Syston, to Sileby, to Barrow upon Soar, to Loughborough (Leics), to Long Eaton, to Attenborough, to Beeston, to Nottingham.

I think you need to be very careful when stating your comments as fact. These routes are very obviously generated using Clive Feathers CORE which was based on the routeing guide of about 4-5 years ago. The routeing guide has evolved since then and many of these routes many now not be valid. I would only ever tell someone there route is definately valid once I personally checked the routeing guide as it is a dynamic tool.

 

[First class]

If NRES say that via Leicester is ok then most of them routes are generally linked to each other, random checks in NRES have had returned valid routes...

 

[glynn80]

I'm not saying those routes aren't valid only I can pretty much guarentee you haven't checked all those routes out and have just copy and pasted those routes from CORE, but put the phrase "DEFINITELY VALID HERE:". Obviously the routeing guide hasn't significantly changed but you can't make sweeping generalisations in the UK fares structure as it isn't logical or stable.

 

[1D53]

Yeah, CORE shouldn't be used as a definitive tool, especially as it is out of date.

 

[yorkie]

NRES is not authoritative. It uses an interpretation of the RG.
Clive Feather's site is certainly not authoritative, as it uses an interpretation of the RG that is a few years out of date.

The only authoritative source is the routeing guide itself. So I suggest people undertaking complicated routes checks the RG themselves and prints the relevant maps in case you are questioned. If you get stuck with a particular part of the RG, post exactly which bit you are stuck on and I'm sure people here will help. As long as you are prepared to give it a go looking it up I will help if you get stuck following it.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Using the online routeing guide:

EM+MH = Via Stoke on Trent
EM+MS = Via Crewe
PS = Via Sheffield

Not accounting for easements.