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My idea to give the government more control over open access operators

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Open access operators have revolutionised Britain’s railway network ever since privatisation, providing competition for franchised services as well as cheaper fares and better performance in some cases. You’d think that open access would be the utopia of train travel, but sadly I don’t think this is the case.

Firstly, the way the application system works combined with limited capacity on the national network makes it very difficult for a potential operator to find a suitable operation. Current rules mean the DfT cannot magic up paths for an open access operator that wants to run trains along a particular route, so they are limited to routes such as London to Hull, Bradford and Sunderland. Additionally, because of the rule on abstraction, existing OAs cannot serve certain stations where a call could greatly improve connectivity. Think of the journey opportunities opened up if Hull Trains and Grand Central were allowed to serve Peterborough for example.

Secondly, what if an OAO goes bust. Many services they operate have seen continuous growth in the years pre-Covid, and if these were to be withdrawn, existing DfT services would become saturated with displaced passengers. We’ve heard all the news about Covid completely collapsing demand for Eurostar, and it’s demise would be even worse as with no replacement, passengers would switch to less environmentally friendly modes of travel. There needs to be some sort of contingency in place that allows the DfT to take over the operations of an OAO if they suddenly go out of business while demand remains high for that route. For Eurostar, this could be a joint venture between GBR and SNCF.

Rather than have the DfT completely take over OAO operations, my proposal would give the government greater regulation over open access in terms of route planning to grant more freedom in return. Under this plan, a potential open access operator could run along any route they wanted, but rather than use their own paths, they would have to use one surrendered by the DfT. For example, if an OAO wanted to run a service from London Waterloo to Weymouth, the government will offer to give up an existing diagram for the open access operator to use, so in effect the DfT is handing over responsibility of a route and it’s revenue to the potential OAO. Once successful, the OAO will be free to operate the route at their own financial risk with their own rolling stock, but must stick to the timetable specified by the DfT or risk having the keys handed back.

Potential OAOs would still be allowed to suggest new routes, but it would become the governments responsibility to adjust existing paths to make room for these. With existing OAOs, the removal of the “must not primarily abstract” rule would allow them to call at additional stations, while the DfT could also run additional services along the route of these, allowing London - Bradford, Hull and Sunderland to become hourly. Or alternatively a different OAO could run these to provide additional competition.

The new system even allows for potential OAOs to take over entire DfT operators if they believe it is profitable. For example, there would be nothing to stop an open-access Virgin Trains requesting to take over all of Avanti’s routes, meaning that if it went ahead, the main intercity operator on the WCML would be entirely open access. There could even be cases where certain stations are only served by OAOs.

It’s a complicated idea and some may say this will remove all competition and risk from the railways, but at the end of the day, Great British Railways will never live up to its name unless they have full control over the national rail network.
 
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This idea sounds like it would allow private companies to cherry pick the profit making areas of the network whilst leaving the government to pick up the tab for the loss making areas. Difficult to see how that would offer good value for taxpayers.
 

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Open access operators have revolutionised Britain’s railway network ever since privatisation
Have they? I'm not sure they have really had much impact on most of the network. They have essentially taken on some services that the mainline railway chose not to operate and showed that it was, just about, worthwhile to do so.

Think of the journey opportunities opened up if Hull Trains and Grand Central were allowed to serve Peterborough for example.
For every extra connection to East Anglia, there is a slower journey to London, and besides, the connection to Hull Trains services into Norwich trains can be made at Grantham.

For example, there would be nothing to stop an open-access Virgin Trains requesting to take over all of Avanti’s routes, meaning that if it went ahead, the main intercity operator on the WCML would be entirely open access.
Wouldn't there be a bidding process in this case, a bit like the way franchises have worked? Do they operate the DfT specified timetable in this case or just what they want to?
 
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Wouldn't there be a bidding process in this case, a bit like the way franchises have worked? Do they operate the DfT specified timetable in this case or just what they want to?
They would be required to operate the DfT specified timetable in this case. I’m not sure if a bidding process would work as it wouldn’t really be a franchise with specified start and end dates, but more of an open access operator taking on the route at any time and running it until they go bust or choose to give up. There may still need to be some sort of regulation in place however as an operator taking all the paths on a particular route would prevent competition. To avoid this, some sort of system could be put in place to encourage multiple private operators to take on individual paths and diagrams on the same route.
 

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They would be required to operate the DfT specified timetable in this case. I’m not sure if a bidding process would work as it wouldn’t really be a franchise with specified start and end dates, but more of an open access operator taking on the route at any time and running it until they go bust or choose to give up. There may still need to be some sort of regulation in place however as an operator taking all the paths on a particular route would prevent competition. To avoid this, some sort of system could be put in place to encourage multiple private operators to take on individual paths and diagrams on the same route.
Once you've done all this and put in place whatever systems are necessary, it essentially becomes another franchise.
 

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Open access operators have revolutionised Britain’s railway network ever since privatisation

I love it when someone opens a long post with a fallacy, invalidating huge chunks of the rest of it :)

Open access operators are and have always been fairly small and have not "revolutionised" anything with their short path-wasting units. They are good for those they provide for when the mainline network doesn't, and interesting for enthusiasts, but that is a very small set of people overall.

Pseudo open access (i.e exceeding substantially the franchise requirement by a franchised TOC), such as London Midland's Crewe/Birmingham through services or Chiltern's rapid expansion, have probably provided benefit to more people than actual open access.
 

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I love it when someone opens a long post with a fallacy, invalidating huge chunks of the rest of it :)

Open access operators are and have always been fairly small and have not "revolutionised" anything with their short path-wasting units. They are good for those they provide for when the mainline network doesn't, and interesting for enthusiasts, but that is a very small set of people overall.

Pseudo open access (i.e exceeding substantially the franchise requirement by a franchised TOC), such as London Midland's Crewe/Birmingham through services or Chiltern's rapid expansion, have probably provided benefit to more people than actual open access.
See, this is the thing. Open access operators have made an impact because they have been able to serve markets which TOCs have chosen not to do. Yes, maybe they haven’t revolutionised the way we travel, but they have still innovated in providing cheaper services and better performance than many TOCs.

In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need open access operators because the DfT specified operators would be innovative and providing more than the bare minimum, just like Chiltern and LM going to Crewe as mentioned above. GNER or its successors could have operated extra services from London to Bradford Interchange via Pontefract at the peak of the franchise era, but they chose not to which meant open access Grand Central filled the gap, and like you say are now wasting paths with their own units on the ECML.
 
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but they chose not to
Careful. Remember that franchises are, to a greater extent, required to provide exactly the DfT's specification and anything else is close to impossible. If the 'open access' services are not in the spec, it implies the DfT isn't particularly bothered about them, which in turn suggests they won't want more control over minor OA operators.
 

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I love it when someone opens a long post with a fallacy, invalidating huge chunks of the rest of it :)

Open access operators are and have always been fairly small and have not "revolutionised" anything with their short path-wasting units. They are good for those they provide for when the mainline network doesn't, and interesting for enthusiasts, but that is a very small set of people overall.

In certain areas (notably the ECML) it is true to say that the service provision looks very, very different to what it would have been without Open Access.
 

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In certain areas (notably the ECML) it is true to say that the service provision looks very, very different to what it would have been without Open Access.

The ECML does seem to have thrived with them, yes, though their 5-car units do still waste paths in my view.

Elsewhere they basically don't exist.
 

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GNER or its successors could have operated peak extras from London to Bradford at the peak of the franchise era, but they chose not to which meant open access Grand Central filled the gap, and like you say are now wasting paths with their own units on the ECML.
GNER inherited a return KGX - BDQ service from ICEC which arrived in Bradford mid morning and returned at 1134 (from what I remember). This was a favourite service for the class 89 or a hired in 90. However the poor loads between Bradford and Leeds were not worth the path and it was abandoned. They always ran morning and evening services accounting for the peaks.

They also introduced the Skipton service early in the franchise.

LNER have expanded the Harrogate service to 2 hourly and are set to introduce services to Huddersfield and Cleethorpes.

These are all previously rejected destinations from OA in the past however bizarrely the Edinburgh OA service has been accepted which is now squeezing franchised services out.
 

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GNER inherited a return KGX - BDQ service from ICEC which arrived in Bradford mid morning and returned at 1134 (from what I remember). This was a favourite service for the class 89 or a hired in 90. However the poor loads between Bradford and Leeds were not worth the path and it was abandoned. They always ran morning and evening services accounting for the peaks.

They also introduced the Skipton service early in the franchise.

LNER have expanded the Harrogate service to 2 hourly and are set to introduce services to Huddersfield and Cleethorpes.

These are all previously rejected destinations from OA in the past however bizarrely the Edinburgh OA service has been accepted which is now squeezing franchised services out.
I meant Bradford Interchange, not Forster Square.
 

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These are all previously rejected destinations from OA in the past however bizarrely the Edinburgh OA service has been accepted which is now squeezing franchised services out.

I'm not opposed to that service because it is doing a useful experiment with a different business model for the railway (i.e. compulsory reservation and dynamic pricing). However, I would have insisted on 10-car or nothing. All across the country paths are wasted on excessively frequent short trains and it has to stop.
 

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I'm not opposed to that service because it is doing a useful experiment with a different business model for the railway (i.e. compulsory reservation and dynamic pricing). However, I would have insisted on 10-car or nothing. All across the country paths are wasted on excessively frequent short trains and it has to stop.
Well quite. A 5 car train between Edinburgh and Kings Cross at 393 miles is a grossly wasteful use of the precious little capacity on the network. Combined with all the 5 car OA trains at the south end of the route it makes a mockery of it all.

I meant Bradford Interchange, not Forster Square.
Bradford is Bradford. It doesn’t really matter which station it departs from as it wouldn’t alter the passengers who used it to get to London.
 
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