National Rail services which run on non-Network Rail tracks

[miklcct]

How many National Rail services run on non-Network Rail tracks? The ones I know include Chiltern Railways running on London Underground tracks, and Elizabeth line running on the Crossrail core.

How about Heathrow Spur and East London Line? Are they Network Rail tracks?

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

How many National Rail services run on non-Network Rail tracks? The ones I know include Chiltern Railways running on London Underground tracks, and Elizabeth line running on the Crossrail core.

How about Heathrow Spur and East London Line? Are they Network Rail tracks?

They aren't. The former is Heathrow Airport Holdings owned the other is TfL owned but only between Highbury and New Cross/New Cross Gate i think

 

[181]

Do Stena Line own the track at Fishguard Harbour, or is that just the building and platform?

 

[Watershed]

South Western Railway run occasional services over the Wimbledon-East Putney part of the District Line. Confusingly, this section of line is signalled and powered by Network Rail infrastructure, but it remains under LU ownership.

 

[tomuk]

Southeastern Javelins over HS1

 

[miklcct]

Southeastern Javelins over HS1

Isn't HS1 Network Rail?

 

[swt_passenger]

Isn't HS1 Network Rail?

HS1 Ltd contract Network Rail High Speed to operate (signalling), maintain and renew the line.

Earlier @Jorge Da Silva mentioned the LU owned ELL - that’s also signalled by NR staff, presumably because there’d be too many operational interfaces otherwise.

 

[miklcct]

HS1 Ltd contract Network Rail high Speed to operate (signalling), maintain and renew the line.

Someone mentioned the LU owned ELL - that’s also signalled by NR staff, presumably because there’d be too many operational interfaces otherwise.

So in this case, East London Line and District Line tracks at Wimbledon are owned by LU but operated by Network Rail, right? Is it the case for Heathrow Spur and Crossrail also?

 

[tomuk]

Isn't HS1 Network Rail?

HS1 Ltd has the 30-year concession to own, operate and maintain High Speed 1 (HS1), ...

... In July 2017, HS1 Ltd was acquired by a consortium comprising of funds advised and managed by InfraRed Capital Partners Limited and Equitix Investment Management Limited.

 

[Ken H]

Who owns the Watford New Lines north of Queens Park? NR or TfL? TBH I dont know who constructed them as they were built as a joint line I think.

 

[PTR 444]

If NR services running over heritage railway metals count, then I nominate the once-in-a-blue-moon SWR service which runs over the Swanage Railway.

 

[swt_passenger]

If NR services running over heritage railway metals count, then I nominate the once-in-a-blue-moon SWR service which runs over the Swanage Railway.

Less than that, it has been cancelled permanently.

 

[miklcct]

If NR services running over heritage railway metals count, then I nominate the once-in-a-blue-moon SWR service which runs over the Swanage Railway.

They do count as heritage railways are no longer Network Rail.

Out of interest, what kind of signalling system is on use on Swanage Railway, and did the SWR trains require additional equipment on top of the main line signalling to run on Swanage Railway? Or instead did the SWR trains ran in restricted manual mode on the heritage line?

 

[PTR 444]

heritage railways are no longer Network Rail.

Pedant alert - They never have been

 

[Bald Rick]

that’s also signalled by NR staff, presumably because there’d be too many operational interfaces otherwise.

partly, but mostly because TfL decided to contract NR rather than use their own staff.

So in this case, East London Line and District Line tracks at Wimbledon are owned by LU but operated by Network Rail, right? Is it the case for Heathrow Spur and Crossrail also?

East London Line (parts of it) is owned by TfL, not LU. District Line from Wimbledon is owned by LU, except the signalling which is owned, maintained and operated by NR.

Who owns the Watford New Lines north of Queens Park? NR or TfL? TBH I dont know who constructed them as they were built as a joint line I think.

NR.

 

[Starmill]

Is the Barking Riverside branch also owned by TfL?

 

[johnnychips]

Maybe worth a separate thread, but I wonder if the opposite situation occurs where non-TOC services run over NR metals. Obviously this would exclude charters and specials: I am thinking of regular timetabled services.

The only ones that come to mind are Sheffield Supertram between Tinsley and Parkgate and the North York Moors railway between Grosmont and Whitby. Or are these TOCs?

TOC - Train operating company
NR - Network Rail

 

[Watershed]

Maybe worth a separate thread, but I wonder if the opposite situation occurs where non-TOC services run over NR metals. Obviously this would exclude charters and specials: I am thinking of regular timetabled services.

The only ones that come to mind are Sheffield Supertram between Tinsley and Parkgate and the North York Moors railway between Grosmont and Whitby. Or are these TOCs?

TOC - Train operating company
NR - Network Rail

Several instances of LU operating over NR metals. I'm sure there was a thread about this not long ago?

 

[Bald Rick]

Maybe worth a separate thread, but I wonder if the opposite situation occurs where non-TOC services run over NR metals. Obviously this would exclude charters and specials: I am thinking of regular timetabled services.

The only ones that come to mind are Sheffield Supertram between Tinsley and Parkgate and the North York Moors railway between Grosmont and Whitby. Or are these TOCs?

TOC - Train operating company
NR - Network Rail

LU
Bakerloo line Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone
District to Richmond
T&W Metro via Sunderland

amongst others.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Who owns the route between Navigation Road and Altrincham stations, NR or Metrolink?
It's operated mostly as 2 single tracks, but both under NR control from Deansgate Jn.

 

[Horizon22]

Maybe worth a separate thread, but I wonder if the opposite situation occurs where non-TOC services run over NR metals. Obviously this would exclude charters and specials: I am thinking of regular timetabled services.

The only ones that come to mind are Sheffield Supertram between Tinsley and Parkgate and the North York Moors railway between Grosmont and Whitby. Or are these TOCs?

TOC - Train operating company
NR - Network Rail

Turnham Green - Richmond.

 

[snowball]

Who owns the route between Navigation Road and Altrincham stations, NR or Metrolink?
It's operated mostly as 2 single tracks, but both under NR control from Deansgate Jn.

I believe Network Rail owns and maintains both tracks (becoming four at the Altrincham end), but Metrolink maintains the OLE on its track. Not sure about the stations.

 

[Johnny Lewis]

GWR have, in the past, run scheduled DMU services from Taunton to Bishops Lydeard on the West Somerset Railway. I think this would have continued on a more regular basis had it not been for Covid.

 

[urbophile]

South Western Railway run occasional services over the Wimbledon-East Putney part of the District Line. Confusingly, this section of line is signalled and powered by Network Rail infrastructure, but it remains under LU ownership.

'remains' since privatisation when afaik it was transferred to LU. The track and stations were British Rail (and before that Southern Railway/ LSWR) before that. Indeed the stations had BR signage and issued BR tickets until then.

 

[WatcherZero]

I believe Network Rail owns and maintains both tracks (becoming four at the Altrincham end), but Metrolink maintains the OLE on its track. Not sure about the stations.

Used to be the Altrincham Metrolink platforms were owned by Network Rail but was transferred to Metrolink ownership in 2015 during the Interchange rebuild, TfGM manage the whole station rather than Northern. Navigation Road I think Network Rail owns both the Metrolink and National Rail platform but Metrolink manages their side. TfGM also have always owned Horwich Parkway since it was built in 1999 and took over station management in 2019. I am sure there are more stations around the country which are owned by local authorities rather than Network Rail, e.g. some of the Heathrow stations actually owned by Heathrow.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Out of interest, what kind of signalling system is on use on Swanage Railway, and did the SWR trains require additional equipment on top of the main line signalling to run on Swanage Railway? Or instead did the SWR trains ran in restricted manual mode on the heritage line?

They ran normally as they would on any other semaphore signalled line such as Yeovil Pen Mill.

 

[tomuk]

Warwick Parkway is owned by M40 trains the intermediate parent company of Chiltern. I think M40 also own some other Chiltern related infrastructure, Wembley Depot and possibly the extra platforms at Marylebone.

 

[LLivery]

Is the Barking Riverside branch also owned by TfL?

Network Rail according to this

The new tracks will continue for roughly 1.5km before terminating at a new elevated station near to the waterfront. This new station, which will be situated just south of the planned commercial area, will include shops and will be accessible from a new road off Renwick Road. While the station will remain in Transport for London’s (TfL) ownership, the railway infrastructure will be handed over to Network Rail upon completion.

 

[ACBest]

Is the Waterloo & City line still signalled by Network Rail? Might seem a daft question but I noticed that the signal on the Waterloo platform had a Network Rail-style signal plate when I was there last week.

 

[Devonian]

GWR have, in the past, run scheduled DMU services from Taunton to Bishops Lydeard on the West Somerset Railway. I think this would have continued on a more regular basis had it not been for Covid.

The former summer Sunday services to Okehampton also run by Great Western used a line owned by Camas/Aggregate Industries from 1994 to 2021. It has since been bought back by Network Rail to allow the line to reopen for regular traffic.