Well Manchester Airport is the bigger out of the 2. It’s the one of the 2 I think that has long haul flights. But Liverpool might have destinations in Europe.
To be honest now thinking about it. Serving Liverpool Airport would be very smart with this high speed link. But we also need a Merseyrail Link from South Parkway to the Airport.
Three trains per hour (off peak) since the Manchester Rail Recovery stole the fourth.
How long is the envisaged recuperation time allowed for the Manchester Rail Recovery project?
I am pleased that you do find it disappointing as there are far more important railway priorities in both areas that require attention NOW not something that is pie in the sky and politicians attempting to deflect matters from the real world. There is the potential of a reliable railway already in place but the powers to be are more interested in things for the future than what is required NOW with some simple cost effective fixes.
Electrifying the CLC might get you one extra path, maybe two, but that is about it.
That's a silly thing to say, people are just expressing their concerns, it needs to work for all areas.
The Northern Line was meant to go to Gateacre in the first place, now that area has real transport problems.
We need some sort of rail or tram link, other wise transport to Liverpool Airport is going to deteriorated. It's not a difficult thing, and far less difficult than what is suggest to bring another Manchester Airport link.
.... "barmpots" should be free to have their say without fear or castration....
Quading the CLC would be an extremely tedious and expensive task given how built up a lot of the areas it runs through are.
A few minutes lost, probably end up with something like 29 minutes end to end or something.
But what would you want people to do with that extra ten minutes they get from the faster journey? Is there anything game or life-changing?
I know quite a few people in Liverpool who work in Manchester. Many of them commute from local stations on the CLC or Chat Moss lines and would be unlikely to travel back to Liverpool City Centre to use this new route.
Would such a tunnelled route into north Manchester take you into the area of the coalfield with unstable strata?
Venturing slightly off-topic, but one was nominally set out between Ashburys and Standedge in the NPR planning. The documentation is out there.
Remember that such an Ashburys to Standedge route goes through east Manchester, not north Manchester, which is the reason why I made my posting response.
But the whole point of NPR is to facilitate more local stopping services on Chat Moss and CLC. Its very likely that the CLC would become a turn up and go all stops service. That wouldn't need much, if any investment to achieve. The odd additional stop might makes sense and cater better for those commuter trips e.g. a station at Old Trafford, Pomona or Cornbrook, but that's a pretty small investment.
The current development in Manchester City Centre has been very focussed towards the Victoria axis, it is true. But those areas are now essentially tapped out.
The services on the existing line have to be removed to allow improvements on the local services on the routes in question.
10 minutes is a lot of time. That’s just enough time to turn a tight connection into a well timed connection. Also we gotta stay competitive to get people off the roads.
Faster slow trains would do the trick. And turn the siding at WAC into an eastbound loop.
No, this is now a barmpot thread.
That would be Halebank in Widnes, not Hale Barns in Altrincham.
You mean Burnham didn't get £4bn extra for an underground station with HS2b but thinks it's worth it now it's just a glorified commuter route.
HS2 crossed the Pendleton Fault, but they reckon modern tunnelling can cope with the occasional earthquake as the ground shifts.
Out where? NPR routes seem very "nominal".
Well, if Burnham can add an underground station, the least Rotheram can add is another station to make the new line even slower than Chat Moss.
I do wonder if such a "people off the roads" aspiration was put forward to the populations of the conurbations of both Merseyside and Greater Manchester with all the pros and cons truthfully incorporated and not just the points of one view only. what the percentages might reveal.
I was not aware that HS2 already had construction works already as far north of the Pendleton fault. Being the age of 79, my memory is not as good as it once was.
The proposed tunnel from Airport to Piccadilly crosses the Pendleton Fault, which runs from Bolton to Poynton
What confused me was the wording of the posting which stated that HS2 had crossed the Pendleton fault.
That’s all well and good if we can have our cake and eat it, but I suspect the business case for the NPR will be based on forcing people onto the new route. Providing attractive alternatives on the existing lines will just hurt the BCR for the whole scheme.
What's wrong with TfGM locals?
Attractive service to the likes of Irlam et al is hardly going to be attractive to passengers travelling from Liverpool or Warrington to manchester is it?
Would electrification of the CLC actually be necessary?
