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A recent thread mentioned the number of overnight newspaper and mail trains which ran in the past.
This prompted a look at the May 1972 working timetable at Manchester Victoria a well-known hot-spot for night-time action in that era.
Here is a list of Newspaper, Mail and Parcels trains which could be seen on any typical weeknight at Manchester Victoria between roughly 20:00 and 07:30.
Of course the station was used by other passenger, freight, empty stock trains and light engines as well Ive just focused on the parallel universe of parcels, mail and news activity here.
20p15 4H29 Parcels: 20:00 ex-Bolton to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings
20p39 4O24 Parcels: 20:23 ex-Bolton to Portsmouth
20p51 4J12 Parcels: 18:45 ex-Burnley Central to Rochdale (DPU)
21a52 4J04 Parcels: 21:35 ex-Rochdale terminates (forms 03:35 to St Helens Shaw St) (DPU)
22a15 4J18 Parcels: 19:40 ex-Northwich terminates (calls at Altrincham, Manchester Mayfield & Stockport) (DPU)
22a28 4J15 Parcels: 21:10 ex-Burnley Central terminates (DMU)
22:42 4E20 Parcels: 20:55 ex-Preston to Cambridge (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
22:50 6H20 Parcels: 20:14 ex-Burnley Central to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
22p56 4G05 Parcels: 22:40 ex-Bolton to Birmingham Curzon Street
23:00 6J09 Parcels: to Oldham Clegg Street
23:35 6H04 Parcels: 20:35 ex-Blackpool Talbot Rd Goods to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings
00:03 1E01 Mail & Parcels: 23:11 ex-Preston* to Huddersfield
00a18 6J09 Parcels: 00:05 ex-Oldham Clegg St terminates.
00:12 1E02 News: to Newcastle
00:20 1E04 News: to York
00a25 1M81 Mail: Portion of 21:50 York to Aberystwyth (detached at Stalybridge) terminates.
00:45 4P22 Parcels: to Preston (combines at Preston with 00:20 Liverpool Lime St to Carlisle Parcels)
01:05 6F01 Mail & Parcels: to Liverpool Lime St via Wigan NW (runs via Parkside & Golborne Jn. Calls at Wigan NW & St Helens Shaw St)
01:18 1D00 News: to Chester (runs via Chat Moss, Winwick Jn & Acton Grange Jn)
01:50 1P55 News: to Barrow-in-Furness (calls at Preston, Lancaster, Carnforth & Ulverston)
01:57 1M43 Mail & Parcels: 01:09 ex-Huddersfield to Carlisle (via Barrow-in-Furness & Cumbrian Coast line. Mail to Whitehaven, Parcels to Carlisle. Stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
02:15 1E26 News: to Leeds City
02:17 4P06 Parcels: 22:30 ex-Birmingham Curzon St to Preston (stops for train crew relief)
02:17 5J76 Parcels: 01:54 ex-Manchester Mayfield terminates (forms 03:35 to Bury) (empty DPU)
02:30 4M17 Parcels: 20:05 ex-Sunderland to Blackpool North (stops for train crew relief)
02p54 4J16 Parcels: 02:15 ex-Guide Bridge Brookside Sidings to Bolton
03:05 1P09 News: to Blackpool North (calls at Chorley & Preston)
03:15 1F65 News: to Southport (runs via Lostock Jn, calls at Wigan NW & Burscough Bridge)
03:20 4M08 Parcels: 18:40 ex-Swansea to Bolton
03:23 1F54 News: to Liverpool Lime St (via Chat Moss, calls at Broad Green to detach van)
03:32 6J08 Mail & Parcels: to Oldham Clegg Street
03:35 1J81 News: to Bury Bolton St (Runs via Middleton Junction & Heywood, calls at Newton Heath D.D. for train crew relief) (DPU)
03:35 1F13 News: to St Helens Shaw Street (runs via Chat Moss & Sutton Oak Jn) (DPU)
03:45 1P97 News & Parcels: to Burnley Central (News to Bolton, Darwen & Blackburn, also calls at Accrington Parcels Depot)
04:20 4M14 Parcels: 01:15 ex-Nottingham to Bolton (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
04a24 6J28 Parcels: 04:00 ex-Stockport terminates.
04:40 6P13 Parcels: to Todmorden (calls at Rochdale) (DPU)
04:40 5J67 Parcels: 04:15 ex-Bury terminates (forms 09:25 Parcels to Blackpool North) (DPU)
05:00 6P14 Parcels: to Burnley Central (calls at Bolton, Blackburn & Accrington Parcels Depot)
05:25 6J13 Parcels: 04:40 ex-Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings to Oldham Clegg Street (loco runs round in bay platform 10)
05:45 5J13 Parcels: 04:45 ex-St Helens Shaw St terminates (shunts to Bay 8 & forms 07:17 Parcels to Todmorden) (DPU)
06:17 4H18 Parcels: to Stalybridge (worked by DMU. Unit continues ECS to Greenfield to form 07:03 passenger to Manchester Vic.)
06:30 4P18 Parcels: 05:45 ex-Todmorden to Preston (attaches van from Platform 16) (DPU)
07:17 4P19 Parcels: to Todmorden (calls at Rochdale & Littleborough) (DPU)
Notes:-
GMPV Manchester Victoria by John Turner, on Flickr
This prompted a look at the May 1972 working timetable at Manchester Victoria a well-known hot-spot for night-time action in that era.
Here is a list of Newspaper, Mail and Parcels trains which could be seen on any typical weeknight at Manchester Victoria between roughly 20:00 and 07:30.
Of course the station was used by other passenger, freight, empty stock trains and light engines as well Ive just focused on the parallel universe of parcels, mail and news activity here.
20p15 4H29 Parcels: 20:00 ex-Bolton to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings
20p39 4O24 Parcels: 20:23 ex-Bolton to Portsmouth
20p51 4J12 Parcels: 18:45 ex-Burnley Central to Rochdale (DPU)
21a52 4J04 Parcels: 21:35 ex-Rochdale terminates (forms 03:35 to St Helens Shaw St) (DPU)
22a15 4J18 Parcels: 19:40 ex-Northwich terminates (calls at Altrincham, Manchester Mayfield & Stockport) (DPU)
22a28 4J15 Parcels: 21:10 ex-Burnley Central terminates (DMU)
22:42 4E20 Parcels: 20:55 ex-Preston to Cambridge (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
22:50 6H20 Parcels: 20:14 ex-Burnley Central to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
22p56 4G05 Parcels: 22:40 ex-Bolton to Birmingham Curzon Street
23:00 6J09 Parcels: to Oldham Clegg Street
23:35 6H04 Parcels: 20:35 ex-Blackpool Talbot Rd Goods to Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings
00:03 1E01 Mail & Parcels: 23:11 ex-Preston* to Huddersfield
00a18 6J09 Parcels: 00:05 ex-Oldham Clegg St terminates.
00:12 1E02 News: to Newcastle
00:20 1E04 News: to York
00a25 1M81 Mail: Portion of 21:50 York to Aberystwyth (detached at Stalybridge) terminates.
00:45 4P22 Parcels: to Preston (combines at Preston with 00:20 Liverpool Lime St to Carlisle Parcels)
01:05 6F01 Mail & Parcels: to Liverpool Lime St via Wigan NW (runs via Parkside & Golborne Jn. Calls at Wigan NW & St Helens Shaw St)
01:18 1D00 News: to Chester (runs via Chat Moss, Winwick Jn & Acton Grange Jn)
01:50 1P55 News: to Barrow-in-Furness (calls at Preston, Lancaster, Carnforth & Ulverston)
01:57 1M43 Mail & Parcels: 01:09 ex-Huddersfield to Carlisle (via Barrow-in-Furness & Cumbrian Coast line. Mail to Whitehaven, Parcels to Carlisle. Stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
02:15 1E26 News: to Leeds City
02:17 4P06 Parcels: 22:30 ex-Birmingham Curzon St to Preston (stops for train crew relief)
02:17 5J76 Parcels: 01:54 ex-Manchester Mayfield terminates (forms 03:35 to Bury) (empty DPU)
02:30 4M17 Parcels: 20:05 ex-Sunderland to Blackpool North (stops for train crew relief)
02p54 4J16 Parcels: 02:15 ex-Guide Bridge Brookside Sidings to Bolton
03:05 1P09 News: to Blackpool North (calls at Chorley & Preston)
03:15 1F65 News: to Southport (runs via Lostock Jn, calls at Wigan NW & Burscough Bridge)
03:20 4M08 Parcels: 18:40 ex-Swansea to Bolton
03:23 1F54 News: to Liverpool Lime St (via Chat Moss, calls at Broad Green to detach van)
03:32 6J08 Mail & Parcels: to Oldham Clegg Street
03:35 1J81 News: to Bury Bolton St (Runs via Middleton Junction & Heywood, calls at Newton Heath D.D. for train crew relief) (DPU)
03:35 1F13 News: to St Helens Shaw Street (runs via Chat Moss & Sutton Oak Jn) (DPU)
03:45 1P97 News & Parcels: to Burnley Central (News to Bolton, Darwen & Blackburn, also calls at Accrington Parcels Depot)
04:20 4M14 Parcels: 01:15 ex-Nottingham to Bolton (stops on Through Line for train crew relief)
04a24 6J28 Parcels: 04:00 ex-Stockport terminates.
04:40 6P13 Parcels: to Todmorden (calls at Rochdale) (DPU)
04:40 5J67 Parcels: 04:15 ex-Bury terminates (forms 09:25 Parcels to Blackpool North) (DPU)
05:00 6P14 Parcels: to Burnley Central (calls at Bolton, Blackburn & Accrington Parcels Depot)
05:25 6J13 Parcels: 04:40 ex-Guide Bridge Avenue Sidings to Oldham Clegg Street (loco runs round in bay platform 10)
05:45 5J13 Parcels: 04:45 ex-St Helens Shaw St terminates (shunts to Bay 8 & forms 07:17 Parcels to Todmorden) (DPU)
06:17 4H18 Parcels: to Stalybridge (worked by DMU. Unit continues ECS to Greenfield to form 07:03 passenger to Manchester Vic.)
06:30 4P18 Parcels: 05:45 ex-Todmorden to Preston (attaches van from Platform 16) (DPU)
07:17 4P19 Parcels: to Todmorden (calls at Rochdale & Littleborough) (DPU)
Notes:-
- Time indicated is departure time.
- 'a' (as in 04a24) indicates arrival time of a train terminating at Manchester Victoria.
- 'p' (as in 20p15) indicates passing time of a train not stopping at Manchester Victoria. - Details above refer to Tuesday to Saturday operations. Services late Sunday night/early Monday morning were often different, with some trains not running.
- All trains are booked for diesel loco haulage, unless indicated as DPU (Diesel Parcels Unit) or DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit)
- 1E01 is the long-standing Whitehaven to Huddersfield TPO (Travelling Post Office). The May 1972 WTTs indicate this train started as a Parcels service from Workington at 17:55, conveyed mail from Whitehaven (dep. 18:50) and carried Reporting Number 1P92 from Workington to Preston, then 1E01 forward from Preston.

GMPV Manchester Victoria by John Turner, on Flickr