NIMBY's and high speed rail.

[EMD]

I'm fascinated by the Thames News material posted on youtube.

One of the best ones is this,

https://youtu.be/e51acYD_2Nk

an insight into pre HS1 NIMBY's. One thing is for sure there's always going to be people complaining and questioning the economics of big investments such as HS1 and HS2.

 

[Camden]

This thread needs shunting off to the segregated high speed rail area.

 

[bramling]

I'm fascinated by the Thames News material posted on youtube.

One of the best ones is this,

https://youtu.be/e51acYD_2Nk

an insight into pre HS1 NIMBY's. One thing is for sure there's always going to be people complaining and questioning the economics of big investments such as HS1 and HS2.

I wish society as a whole could move away from the term NIMBY.

It's perfectly reasonable people won't want to be disadvantaged by a development near them, and equally reasonable that any such scheme should be planned in a way which as far as possible avoids or minimises the amount of disruption caused, and should of course have a robust benefit case. Objectors shouldn't automatically be labelled for having the audacity to be against a development.

 

[EMD]

I wish society as a whole could move away from the term NIMBY.

It's perfectly reasonable people won't want to be disadvantaged by a development near them, and equally reasonable that any such scheme should be planned in a way which as far as possible avoids or minimises the amount of disruption caused, and should of course have a robust benefit case. Objectors shouldn't automatically be labelled for having the audacity to be against a development.

I don't think there is a need to ban the term. It's perfectly reasonable. This material shows that there's always going to be somebody who doesn't like something and if we were to satisfy everyone at all times nothing could be done to anything.

 

[NSEFAN]

I wish society as a whole could move away from the term NIMBY.

It's perfectly reasonable people won't want to be disadvantaged by a development near them, and equally reasonable that any such scheme should be planned in a way which as far as possible avoids or minimises the amount of disruption caused, and should of course have a robust benefit case. Objectors shouldn't automatically be labelled for having the audacity to be against a development.

To be fair, I think we do have a great amount of consultation on building work in this country, far more than most other countries. To an extent, this gives attention-seeking timewasters the chance to spite projects by pushing costs up and delaying them, which is ultimately to the detriment of the taxpayer and those who are genuinely deserving of compensation for blight/being moved out of their homes. I have no problem with using NIMBY as a derogatory term for those kind of selfish people.

 

[furnessvale]

I wish society as a whole could move away from the term NIMBY.

It's perfectly reasonable people won't want to be disadvantaged by a development near them, and equally reasonable that any such scheme should be planned in a way which as far as possible avoids or minimises the amount of disruption caused, and should of course have a robust benefit case. Objectors shouldn't automatically be labelled for having the audacity to be against a development.

You are no doubt well aware what the acronym NIMBY stands for?

It is the fact that such objectors are quite happy to accept the benefits of development as long as it doesn't inconvenience THEM that gives rise to the acronym.

As an example, what do you think the reaction of anti HS2 objectors in the Chilterns would be if I suggested an alternative way of increasing WCML capacity would be to close most intermediate stations on the route, making room for more and faster expresses?

 

[bramling]

You are no doubt well aware what the acronym NIMBY stands for?

It is the fact that such objectors are quite happy to accept the benefits of development as long as it doesn't inconvenience THEM that gives rise to the acronym.

As an example, what do you think the reaction of anti HS2 objectors in the Chilterns would be if I suggested an alternative way of increasing WCML capacity would be to close most intermediate stations on the route, making room for more and faster expresses?

That is all well and good, but it doesn't automatically follow that every objector to a project is automatically a NIMBY - which is how I see the term is used.

 

[Antman]

That is all well and good, but it doesn't automatically follow that every objector to a project is automatically a NIMBY - which is how I see the term is used.

I don't think the term NIMBY is particularly offensive but each case needs to be judged individually, some people have quite reasonable and rational objections to something whilst inevitably there are people who will moan about anything.

 

[furnessvale]

That is all well and good, but it doesn't automatically follow that every objector to a project is automatically a NIMBY - which is how I see the term is used.

Fair enough, but you don't see too many objectors saying, "don't build that new road/railway/power station over there, build it nearer to my house".

 

[misterredmist]

NIMBY's are quite happy to use new infrastructure such as expanded Airports, Motorways, Roads & railway schemes that inconvenience other people but kick up a great fuss when it involves their own world. They don't accept that new infrastructure is required and must be laid somewhere.........

 

[keith1879]

I wish society as a whole could move away from the term NIMBY.

It's perfectly reasonable people won't want to be disadvantaged by a development near them, and equally reasonable that any such scheme should be planned in a way which as far as possible avoids or minimises the amount of disruption caused, and should of course have a robust benefit case. Objectors shouldn't automatically be labelled for having the audacity to be against a development.

In general I don't think people are automatically labelled as NIMBYs for objecting. As you say - there are many perfectly reasonable reasons for objecting and reasonable people expressing them. It is useful to distinguish between them and the true NIMBYs who tend to be the ones who crave (and get) the publicity.

 

[EMD]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...55516a-ef08-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html

http://www.purplelinenow.com/

Here's an example why NIMBY's are dangerous. It is shocking really.

 

[Snapper]

I don't think there is a need to ban the term. It's perfectly reasonable.

Indeed. There's also the Nimbys close cousin, BANANA's (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone)

 

[HowardGWR]

Indeed. There's also the Nimbys close cousin, BANANA's (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone)

I think that the Chilterns HS2 proposals gave rise to what are essentially NODAMs (No Development After Me) and this term exposes the hypocrisy more than any other ones. If you look some of the inappropriate straggling development, built before the AONB policies prevented any more of such, along the route of HS2, you will see what I mean.

 

[edwin_m]

Can we add GNICHEEBs - people who want to reverse Beeching (but not quite)?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I met some antis today, marshalling a bike race.
They were against it because:
- it rips up good farmland/turning farmers out of their homes
- nobody wants/needs to go that fast
- nobody will use it/too expensive
- what we want is more/longer trains on the existing routes

They didn't understand that taking fast trains off the main lines gave them capacity for more services at existing stations.
However, I think their views are fairly typical.
They were not on the line of route, so not strictly NIMBYs.
Then they went on about no development in the north west/north Wales - "nobody ever spends money up here".
When they do, they don't want it.

 

[Sceptre]

Case in point: Hillingdon Council are all about disruption to the greater tube network if it means a Central Line station at Park Royal or the Central extended to Uxbridge.

I think the worst NIMBYism was Natalie Bennett getting the Green Party to oppose green transport in the form of HS2 because it would mean lorries going past her Central London flat.