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Hello everyone.
Researching my holiday destination Marbella, I found that it has no rail station, and it seemes it never had.
For a town of it size that seem surprising. Does anyone have any background info why a line was never build?
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A line branching off the Ronda to Algeciras line would have been challenging due to the mountain range. Ronda to Algeciras was only built due to British involvement and probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the British occupation of Gibraltar.

Would enough demand exist for an Algeciras to Marbella to Malaga train?
 
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M.G.Ball's Euro Rail Atlas shows a proposed line from Fuengirola to Algeciras, although it doesn't show a station at Marbella.
 

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If you are not hiring a car (not really necessary in Marbella) then the airport service operated by Avanzabus is efficient and reasonably priced.
 

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The quick answer is 'wasn't worth it'. Marbella was a small village when the railways were being built

Malaga - Fuegnirola was originally metre gauge (like the north coast narrow gauge route). Only regauged when the Costa del Sol development got so big, and the rugged nature of many of Spain's coastal strips and low population of the coast between Malaga and Gibraltar did not suit railway construction.

Read the 'Demographics' section for the history of Marbella and its recent boom in size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbella


Railways in Spain were built slowly and later than average for Europe. Some lines were started but never finished, the north coast narrow gauge was completed fully only in the 1960s





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Hi there. :smile:

I'm from Spain, and I've been following this forum for some time.
I'm not sure, but I guess this must be my first post here. Edit: Turns out it wasn't, I already posted three times before, but I didn't remember.

And I've just come across this thread. :lol:

Researching my holiday destination Marbella, I found that it has no rail station, and it seemes it never had.
For a town of it size that seem surprising. Does anyone have any background info why a line was never build?

Would enough demand exist for an Algeciras to Marbella to Malaga train?

Indeed there is.

Between Malaga and Algeciras you find the following towns/cities (I only include the towns/cities on the line or that would be directly involved in its extension, and the three biggest cities that wouldn't, but which are within the catchment area anyway):

Malaga (pop 567,000, plus the Malaga airport)
Torremolinos (pop 67,000 in low season)
Benalmadena (pop 66,000 in low season)
Fuengirola (pop 76,000 in low season)

^^
All of these are served by the Malaga-Fuengirola railway line, with a Renfe commuter rail service (around 3tph each way).

Beyond Fuengirola there are:

Mijas (pop 77,000 in low season)
Marbella (pop 138,000 in low season)
Estepona (pop 66,000 in low season)
Casares (pop 5,700 in low season)
Manilva (pop 14,000 in low season)
La Linea de la Concepcion (pop 63,000, and located next to the UK town of Gibraltar, pop 28,000, plus the Gibraltar airport)

^^
All of these have never had passenger railway, ever.
Only La Linea used to have a freight railway branch from San Roque, but nowadays it doesn't anymore, it was closed (the trackbed remains, and I think the tracks too, but they're beyond use).
The others have never ever had any railway of any kind.

Finally, beyond La Linea de la Concepcion there are:

San Roque (pop 29,000 in low season, where the Madrid-Algeciras main line reaches the coast)
Los Barrios (pop 22,000)
Algeciras (pop 118,000)

^^
These last three are served by the Madrid-Algeciras main line, but since the Madrid main line is mainly for freight and long-distance traffic, there are not many passengers, as it is so mountainous and bendy, hence travel times are far from ideal for commuting, and of course the inland is not as populated.

And across the strait, there are two more sizeable towns, which are within the catchment area of Algeciras:

Ceuta (pop 85,000, just opposite Algeciras, a Spanish exclave in Africa)
Tangier (pop 974,000, the main northern Moroccan city, a little further west from Ceuta, but close enough)

I haven't counted the unregistered permanent population, nor obviously the temporary population and the tourists.
If you know the place, you'll tell it gets rather congested in summer, but even in winter it's not very well connected at all.

So I guess that by the mere numbers, the extension would mean a lot of passengers.
The main issue is its cost.

It seems some studies have taken place to extend the Malaga - Fuengirola line to Marbella and then further on to Estepona.

These studies have been made all over the decades since the 1970's till 2015, with no outcome at all.
The locals are rather angry at that, they want the extension so badly.

The quick answer is 'wasn't worth it'. Marbella was a small village when the railways were being built

The line as originally planned was to continue beyond Fuengirola to reach Algeciras and Gibraltar.
And the British were involved in the beginning, as usual in Southern Spain.
But the original company went broke, and I think a Belgian one took over. The section between Malaga and Fuengirola opened in 1916, in metric gauge.
I don't remember under which company it happened, but they just ran out of money to carry on further west of Fuengirola.

Much later on, under Franco, it was nationalized. And in 1970, it was closed for the upgrade, electrification and regauging, reopening in 1975.
Much more recently, between 2000 and 2010, it has been upgraded again, doubling some sections, and putting underground three stations to make room for the extension of the Malaga airport and the Madrid-Malaga HSL.

Malaga - Fuegnirola was originally metre gauge (like the north coast narrow gauge route). Only regauged when the Costa del Sol development got so big,

In the 1970's.
Pity that the other metric lines (Malaga to Coin, Malaga to Velez-Malaga) weren't regauged.
They were closed and dismantled before the Fuengirola line was regauged.
If only they had kept them going for a few years longer, it's quite likely that they would have been regauged too...

and the rugged nature of many of Spain's coastal strips and low population of the coast between Malaga and Gibraltar did not suit railway construction.

It's not as rugged there, the difficult part would be east of Malaga, between Nerja and Almeria, not west of Malaga between Fuengirola and San Roque.

The problem is not really the geography, it's that it's so heavily built on that it's become so expensive, as most of it between Fuengirola and Estepona will have to be underground to skip the cost of demolitions... and the nimbys.

Railways in Spain were built slowly and later than average for Europe.

The first Spanish railway line was in 1837. Spain had a large network by the 1860s, only that we chose to develop it first and most in... Cuba, the Peninsula (and Puerto Rico) lagging way behind Cuba. :oops:

Curiously, the Cuban network was in standard gauge, mainly.
While the Peninsular network had (has) THAT gauge. God knows why.

Needless to say, when we lost Cuba in 1898, the authorities realised what a big fvck-up that had been. And since we were left in a really bad financial position (not counting the post-Napoleon state in which the country already was), that led us to the rock bottom (Spanish Civil War).

^^
Which led us to...

Some lines were started but never finished, the north coast narrow gauge was completed fully only in the 1960s.

You must think we're crazy, as we're building so many new lines and that... we probably are, let's just say that we're just trying to get back on track in terms of infrastructure. The problem is that we seem uncapable of getting rid of our own politicians, so inevitably some infrastructures that weren't needed were built, while other infrastructures that are badly needed remain deep down in the drawer.
 
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Pity that the other metric lines (Malaga to Coin, Malaga to Velez-Malaga) weren't regauged.
They were closed and dismantled before the Fuengirola line was regauged.
If only they had kept them going for a few years longer, it's quite likely that they would have been regauged too...

I remember seeing some remains of the Velez line from a coach back from a holiday in about 1999 (before the motorway opened). There were a few tunnels and such. I could moreorless trace its route on Google maps but it disappeared soon after entering the Malaga built-up area. I believe it was also intended to go inland from Velez to Granada, probably linking up with the line built southwards as far as Durcal where there is an impressive disused viaduct.

Unfortunately I think the extravagant spending in Andalucía in recent years has rather put anyone off worthwhile projects such as local rail re/openings. The precedent of the Velez tram isn't encouraging...
 

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I remember seeing some remains of the Velez line from a coach back from a holiday in about 1999 (before the motorway opened). There were a few tunnels and such. I could moreorless trace its route on Google maps but it disappeared soon after entering the Malaga built-up area.

Oh, it just follows the streets on the sea front, basically (the area of the old bridge over the river Guadalhorce is the most difficult part to follow).

It continued till San Julian station, where the junction between the Fuengirola and Coin branches was still visible till the late 1990's/early 2000's.

Most of the station buildings still exist.
I remember having seen the Malaga one, the El Palo one, and I've been inside the Torre del Mar one (which now is the town's bus station).
On the surviving line, the San Julian and the Fuengirola original station buildings still exist, but since the 1970's regauging they're no longer in rail use (the Fuengirola one is a tourist office iirc).

I believe it was also intended to go inland from Velez to Granada, probably linking up with the line built southwards as far as Durcal where there is an impressive disused viaduct.

Not quite.

From Vélez-Málaga it continued to Periana and Ventas de Zafarraya, with sections in rack-railway.
It was originally intended to reach Granada via Alhama de Granada, but the money wasn't there...
A short section around Ventas de Zafarraya has very recently been reopened as a tourist small-gauge railway (link in Spanish -has a picture ;)).
For what I've read, the section is a bit scenic.

The Granada to Durcal tramway line was an entirely different thing, nothing to do.

Unfortunately I think the extravagant spending in Andalucía in recent years has rather put anyone off worthwhile projects such as local rail re/openings. The precedent of the Velez tram isn't encouraging...

Don't get me started on that... :lol:

In Spanish we have a saying which translated into English would go "to start building the house by the roof".

Anyway, the rail link between Fuengirola and at the very least Marbella will have to be built someday, and better sooner than later.
 
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