Non-Caledonian Sleeper GBRf Class 92s

[aem7ac]

I was reading this document as posted in another thread.

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1dzb2awz/rail-emissions-2022-23.pdf

According to the freight operator electric emissions data on page 12 of the PDF, GB Railfreight saw a 51% decrease in electric emissions (which I am interpreting as a marked decrease in electric traction use) in the period of April 2022-March 2023 compared to the period of April 2021-March 2022.
I take it this is when GBRf stopped using the non-Dellner modified 92s on regular freight flows (I could be wrong, however).
Does anyone have the fleet details for what GBRf 92s did not receive the Dellner modifications for use with Mk5s, and what their current status is?
Thank you.

 

[43096]

I was reading this document as posted in another thread.

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1dzb2awz/rail-emissions-2022-23.pdf

According to the freight operator electric emissions data on page 12 of the PDF, GB Railfreight saw a 51% decrease in electric emissions (which I am interpreting as a marked decrease in electric traction use) in the period of April 2022-March 2023 compared to the period of April 2021-March 2022.
I take it this is when GBRf stopped using the non-CS 92s (including GBRf-liveried with Dellner mods) on regular freight flows (I could be wrong, however).
Does anyone have the fleet details for what GBRf 92s did not receive the Dellner modifications for use with Mk5s, and what their current status is?
Thank you.

92032/044 are the two active GBRf 92s not fitted with sleeper stock mods. They are now primarily used on Channel Tunnel freights so very little availability for “domestic” workings.

The other four GBRf 92s not modified are long-stored (and robbed for spares) 92021/040/045/046.

Which leaves the ten that are modified for the sleepers: 92006/010/014/018/020/023/028/033/038/043.

 

[Wyrleybart]

I have no ideas of the answer so I fired up Flickr and put in GBRF 92
The images mostly seemed to be of 92032 which doesn't appear to have the coupler, so that appears to be number 1 of your answer.

Then I found 92006 92010 92020 and 92043 which seem to have the coupling so we can discount them. Then I found a piccie of 92038 in CS livery with the coupler. Then 92018 and 92033 appear to have the coupler.

So putting them into order from captions it seems 92032 and 92044 do not but
92006 92010 92014 92018 92020 92023 92028 92033 and 92043 do

I make that eleven GBRf class 92s, but is that the fleet ?

 

[aem7ac]

I have no ideas of the answer so I fired up Flickr and put in GBRF 92
The images mostly seemed to be of 92032 which doesn't appear to have the coupler, so that appears to be number 1 of your answer.

Then I found 92006 92010 92020 and 92043 which seem to have the coupling so we can discount them. Then I found a piccie of 92038 in CS livery with the coupler. Then 92018 and 92033 appear to have the coupler.

So putting them into order from captions it seems 92032 and 92044 do not but
92006 92010 92014 92018 92020 92023 92028 92033 and 92043 do

I make that eleven GBRf class 92s, but is that the fleet ?

I found a post in a thread from 3 years ago (from @43096, who actually replied to this thread earlier with much of the same information but it did not appear until now) that breaks it down, seemingly answering the fleet question:

BRf have 92s that can and do work through the tunnel; indeed they have on occasions hired them to DB Cargo when they are short.

GBRf's Class 92 fleet is assigned to four pools which give a good idea of their operating capabilities/restrictions:
GBCT - tunnel. Able to work on NR and Channel Tunnel but not modified for Mark 5s (032/044)
GBSL - sleeper. Not capable of working through the tunnel, can work on NR, fitted with Dellners and other mods for Mark 5s (006/014/020/023/033)
GBST - sleeper & tunnel. (010/018/028/038/043)
GBSD - stored (021/040/045/046)

In practice, the GBSL and GBST locos are almost exclusively deployed on the sleeper trains, this needing 7 locos every night.

So it seems 92032 and 92044 are the only ones indeed not modified for Mk5 work.
Fleet total seems to be 12 in traffic + 4 stored for parts, so 16.
I'd guess the real question is now have 032 and 044 seen any work recently? And is there any non-sleeper work seen regularly as of recent by the 10 others?

 

[cj_1985]

032 and 044 lack the dellner couplers, but I believe 032 has had its ETH upto the mk5 level, same as the rest of the sleeper modded 92s

 

[JonathanH]

Both 92032 and 92044 worked Caledonian Sleeper in the Mark 3 days, but clearly can't now without the right couplers.

 

[ChristopherJ]

Do the GBRf 92s have the TMS for the CAF stock? Or is it internal to the rake of Mk5 coaches only?

 

[31160]

Does anyone know if 92006 has had its restricted working thing lifted now, i think it was restricted to ecs duties to and from Wembley

 

[Wyrleybart]

I found a post in a thread from 3 years ago (from @43096, who actually replied to this thread earlier with much of the same information but it did not appear until now) that breaks it down, seemingly answering the fleet question:


So it seems 92032 and 92044 are the only ones indeed not modified for Mk5 work.
Fleet total seems to be 12 in traffic + 4 stored for parts, so 16.
I'd guess the real question is now have 032 and 044 seen any work recently? And is there any non-sleeper work seen regularly as of recent by the 10 others?

I guess these two can work any European traffic through the tuhnel if they still have the signalling capabilities, but GBRf used to use one on the Garston csr traffic for a while.

 

[Class15]

Does anyone know if 92006 has had its restricted working thing lifted now, i think it was restricted to ecs duties to and from Wembley

It’s currently at Brush Loughborough so presume that’s being lifted.

 

[cf111]

Do the GBRf 92s have the TMS for the CAF stock? Or is it internal to the rake of Mk5 coaches only?

I believe it is in the seated car which has the train guard's office. The Sleepers are hauled by class 73s (sometimes 66s with a 73 providing the hotel power) north of Edinburgh.