Northern Class 769 Diagrams

[Lucinidae]

Does anyone have available a listing
of Northerns current class 769 diagrams ?

Thx in advance

 

[JonathanH]

Does anyone have available a listing
of Northerns current class 769 diagrams ?

Thx in advance

May 2023 Unit Diagrams - a Freedom of Information request to Northern Trains Limited

Please could you provide me with the unit diagrams for the upcoming May 2023 timetable, Yours faithfully, Jonathan Sculley

www.whatdotheyknow.com

You can also look at RTT to see where they are working in real time.

 

[Lucinidae]

May 2023 Unit Diagrams - a Freedom of Information request to Northern Trains Limited

Please could you provide me with the unit diagrams for the upcoming May 2023 timetable, Yours faithfully, Jonathan Sculley

www.whatdotheyknow.com

You can also look at RTT to see where they are working in real time.

Thanks Jonathan

 

[leomartin125]

I am now looking for updated Northern 769 diagrams. The FOI request links to diagrams that aren't even being followed, I have checked today and as far as I can see, zero 769 units are out - any diagrams are covered by 150/156. Is there a reason that the 769s seem to be not operational on a Saturday?

 

[JonathanH]

I have checked today and as far as I can see, zero 769 units are out - any diagrams are covered by 150/156. Is there a reason that the 769s seem to be not operational on a Saturday?

Just because they are being covered by 150s or 156s doesn't mean they aren't 769 diagrams officially.

The 769s appear to have been stood down for some reason.

 

[leomartin125]

Just because they are being covered by 150s or 156s doesn't mean they aren't 769 diagrams officially.

The 769s appear to have been stood down for some reason.

The 769 diagrams I was referring to were the official ones published by Northern as a direct result of that FOI request above.

Unsure as to why they have been ‘stood down’ - sounds ominous!

 

[thealexweb]

Is this connected to the 769 which shut down between Salford and Bolton earlier in the week? It caused hours of delays.

 

[Greybeard33]

The 769 diagrams I was referring to were the official ones published by Northern as a direct result of that FOI request above.

Unsure as to why they have been ‘stood down’ - sounds ominous!

Is this connected to the 769 which shut down between Salford and Bolton earlier in the week? It caused hours of delays.

From RTT, 769431 & 434 were in traffic on Thursday 12 October, but both were withdrawn before completing their diagrams. It appears that 431 failed at Moses Gate westbound at 1848, then 434 was withdrawn at Bolton eastbound at 1902, presumably to go and rescue 431. It was not until 2115 that another train made it through from Manchester to Bolton. See

What is happening in Bolton tonight?

There seems to be a backlog of trains up the Preston via Chorley line from Salford. What is the issue - delay codes seem to be something about traction equipment?

www.railforums.co.uk

for discussion of this incident.

No 769s have been out since.

 

[M60lad]

I'm not even to sure to be honest whether Northern actually use all of their 769s each day as I've often seen at least one set stabled at Newton Heath and also on Saturdays whenever I've been passing Allerton Depot on 18:22 Lime St-Oxford Road service there seems to be at least 3 or maybe more stabled up out of use usually inbetween 319s.

 

[Greybeard33]

I'm not even to sure to be honest whether Northern actually use all of their 769s each day as I've often seen at least one set stabled at Newton Heath and also on Saturdays whenever I've been passing Allerton Depot on 18:22 Lime St-Oxford Road service there seems to be at least 3 or maybe more stabled up out of use usually inbetween 319s.

See the 769 rolling stock thread for previous discussion of reliability issues:

Porterbrook Cl.769 'Flex' trains from 319s, initially for Northern

As a slight aside, it looks like the tunnel under Wallgate is going to have to be dealt with sooner or later. The last time I looked both bores were being propped up with supporting equipment which has been in place for quite some time. Yes there has been equipment "holding up" the tunnel for...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[driverd]

I'm not even to sure to be honest whether Northern actually use all of their 769s each day as I've often seen at least one set stabled at Newton Heath and also on Saturdays whenever I've been passing Allerton Depot on 18:22 Lime St-Oxford Road service there seems to be at least 3 or maybe more stabled up out of use usually inbetween 319s.

In fairness its quite normal to only utilise a percentage of a fleet. I've not scrutinised the diagrams upthread, but would expect atleast 2x 769s on book maintenance diagrams per day.

As others have said (and in particular due to how diverse northerns fleet is), just because a 769 is allocated, doesn't necessarily mean you'll get one - in the same way an allocated 150 could easily end up a 156.

 

[AMD]

The FOI request links to diagrams that aren't even being followed, I have checked today and as far as I can see, zero 769 units are out - any diagrams are covered by 150/156. Is there a reason that the 769s seem to be not operational on a Saturday?

As noted above, the failure of 431 and the use of 434 to rescue it has wiped out availability of the fleet.
There are currently 2 units away for mods at the moment, plus Network Rail will not allow a 769 out in service unless theres another one available for rescue purposes, so the micro fleet is even smaller than usual.

 

[thealexweb]

Northern's ambitions to have six of the eight units in use daily from December look ever more remote...

 

[Greybeard33]

As noted above, the failure of 431 and the use of 434 to rescue it has wiped out availability of the fleet.
There are currently 2 units away for mods at the moment, plus Network Rail will not allow a 769 out in service unless theres another one available for rescue purposes, so the micro fleet is even smaller than usual.

The current diagrams show that 4 units should be in traffic M-F, with 2 units away for mods and 2 on exams. Today RTT shows that 769434 is the only unit in traffic, on diagram AN291. The other 3 diagrams are being worked by a 156+150 combo, a 156+156 combo and a solo 156. So presumably two 769s are currently demic, with a third sufficiently serviceable to rescue 434 if necessary.

Edit: But see #15 & #19 below for clarification.

 

[Geeves]

Another 769 came out this morning otherwise it would still be zero!

424 is the other one coming off Newton Heath and the 156s swapping onto the Tod Blackburn work

 

[jonesy3001]

How long will it be until the 769s start using the overhead wires on the Victoria to stalybridge line?

 

[Geeves]

Rough guestimate would be May timetable change 2024

 

[jonesy3001]

Rough guestimate would be May timetable change 2024

Nice, might have to pop over when the wires go live.

 

[scrapy]

If there are not 3 serviceable 769s available, none come out as there needs to be one available to rescue a failed unit. (And one to rescue that incase of further issues)