Someone might know but does anyone know if the North East Transport tickets are valid? They're currently usable on the trains between Sunderland and Blaydon so would seem a bit of an own goal to exclude them since they'd allow interchange with buses to the stations.
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Northumberland Line fares (including impact on Tyne & Wear Metro maximum fares)
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I’m going to hazard a guess and say no, just like they aren’t valid to Manors presently. I believe the only integration will be the Metro / Rail integration with Pop Cards
Yeah I had a feeling that might have been the case. I know it was mentioned in the earlier local transport plans but never heard anything since. Shame really considering some of the stations aren't central as an understatement, especially Blyth.
androdas
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I don't have personal experience but all local buses in Northumberland take POP cards for payment as well as Metro / Northumberland line so you should just be able to tap out of the station and tap onto the bus if you have POP. No idea how the fares would compare though.
Does anyone know when the NetworkOne (formerly Network Travelticket) offerings stopped being valid to Manors?
It will be a shame if this isn't also extended to Ashington - to be honest extending it rail-only to all stations to Seaham, Hexham and Morpeth is long overdue.
It will be a shame if this isn't also extended to Ashington - to be honest extending it rail-only to all stations to Seaham, Hexham and Morpeth is long overdue.
If they ever have been valid to Manors (National Rail) then they haven’t been in the last 20+ years. Network Traveltickets and their predecessors weren’t initially valid on the Newcastle - Blaydon trains (got a feeling that changed 20+ years ago)
There's no intermodal tickets with buses using Pop so you'd just be buying a bus ticket on top. Not much use really whereas the Transport North East tickets are £6.80 for the full day.
Not sure what the point of it is really, in fact it's really annoying as Google Wallet likes to default to Pop on Arriva's ticket machines even known I have a card as the default payment.
Wallsendmag
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Never been valid to Manors by train only Metro
androdas
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What we need is integration for POP with busses trains and metros. You would think if they are all on the same system it would be easy. Maybe one for the new Mayor to work on.
geordieblue
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Northumberland line trains, and Sunderland trains, will be fully integrated into POP and I think there are hopes to do the same for other services (I can’t see how they can stop people using POP from Manors-Newcastle on Morpeth trains, for example). Medium term it seems like an easy win to extend POP readers across to Blaydon, and perhaps to Morpeth if a deal can be done with Northumberland County Council and rail operators.
I spotted this map on Twitter/X last week - which seems to show multimode connections. I don’t think Morpeth and Cramlington have been included in similar maps before.
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New fare zone map spotted in the wild. Courtesy of edificity on Twitter...
https://x.com/edificity/status/1863942303083082005
https://x.com/edificity/status/1863942303083082005
Willie Bee
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I wonder if the Nexus Gold Card will be accepted on the new line.
It gives free travel on the Metro and on the NorthernRail service from Central (Newcastle) to Sunderland
(Free, after you pay £12 a year .. with some time restrictions too)
It gives free travel on the Metro and on the NorthernRail service from Central (Newcastle) to Sunderland
(Free, after you pay £12 a year .. with some time restrictions too)
No Gold card usage either (which seems odd when they've got it on Blaydon-Sunderland)
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No. the web page about fares here explicitly states it is not valid towards the end:
Tickets | Northumberland Line
www.northumberlandline.uk
i think it has a Tyne and Wear residential requirement for the £12 fee and full benefits?
androdas
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Hopefully a lot of these issues will be addressed as Transport policy moves to the new combined authority. It doesn't really make sense anymore that there is a hard border between Northumberland/Tyne and Wear/Durham for things such as concessionary travel.
It's utterly crazy that you won't be able to buy a paper single, day or season ticket from a Metro machine that works on the line, and that Pop products still are not valid on Northern services between Newcastle and Sunderland.
The lack of Gold Card acceptance is even more baffling, and I'm going to guess that you'll not be able to top-up a Pop PAYG card at the Northumberland Line stations.
A half-assed integration effort - getting proper seamless integration for ticketing should have been the easiest part of this project!
The lack of Gold Card acceptance is even more baffling, and I'm going to guess that you'll not be able to top-up a Pop PAYG card at the Northumberland Line stations.
A half-assed integration effort - getting proper seamless integration for ticketing should have been the easiest part of this project!
The same with the lack of Transport North East (TNE) tickets which means there's zero bus integration which is a problem at places like Blyth and Seaton Delaval where the stations aren't exactly central or the fact Blaydon, Metrocentre and Dunston aren't part of Pop, at least for now since TNE tickets are valid there.
All a confusing mess. It's also a grey area whether Metro paper tickets can be used between Newcastle and Bebside. I've seen nothing saying they can't?
They can’t, if you look at the x / twitter link above there’s a table at the bottom of the map which says that Metro paper tickets aren’t valid
They can't - no paper Metro tickets are valid on Northumberland Line services.
This whole thing is a mess to be honest, and is likely to harm ridership.
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If you look at the Metro Gold Card issue, AFAICS it’s an add on to the ENCTS card, and normally such add ons are done at county level. But for vast areas of Northumberland the facility is not going to be much use at all, so how does Northumberland justify paying for free Metro/Rail travel for just a small fraction of their residents out of council tax? Seems to me for the former Tyne and Wear authorities it’s a different scenario, a much higher proportion of their residents can benefit.
(I’m assuming here that the £12 fee is little more than an admin fee, the actual travel costs must come from council tax.)
(I’m assuming here that the £12 fee is little more than an admin fee, the actual travel costs must come from council tax.)
Very surprised that Northern won't be accepting paper Metro tickets.
Given that Metro tickets can be used on the trains to Sunderland and a new Zone D has been created for Ashington and this new map shows the new line on the Metro map!
Any rational person would assume a A+B+C can be used to Seaton Delaval, for example.
Given that Metro tickets can be used on the trains to Sunderland and a new Zone D has been created for Ashington and this new map shows the new line on the Metro map!
Any rational person would assume a A+B+C can be used to Seaton Delaval, for example.
tumbledown
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Informed Sources First Law applies...
Could you expand?
I might be being stupid but I assume it's this map, the Twitter link has the table cut off:
It just mentions A-D on that, nothing about A-C which if they aren't allowed in the C zone makes things confusing as an understatement. The message on the tickets page, I assumed, is just because you can't buy them from a Northern ticket machine.
Very confusing, I must say.
First Law ‘Never assume railways are rational organisations’
Thanks for that, what a confusing mess for the sake of it. The lack of Pop on Sunderland to Central is even more baffling.
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Roger Ford of Modern Railways has a series of laws. The 1st is ‘Never assume railways are rational organisations’.
‘Informed Sources’ Laws 2020
Here’s your handy guide, plus some background...
www.modernrailways.com
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