Norwich-Nottingham 4 cars

[MrTurbostar170]

Hi,

I remember a few years ago, probably when they started 4 cars on Norwich to Liverpool, seeing an EMT timetable with something along the line of:

"This train will have extra carriages between Norwich and Nottingham"

Or

"This train will have extra carriages between Nottingham and Liverpool"

I was just wondering if there are still specific times on the Norwich-Nottingham section. If someone could give me these that would be great.

Many thanks.

 

[dk1]

Hi,

I remember a few years ago, probably when they started 4 cars on Norwich to Liverpool, seeing an EMT timetable with something along the line of:

"This train will have extra carriages between Norwich and Nottingham"

Or

"This train will have extra carriages between Nottingham and Liverpool"

I was just wondering if there are still specific times on the Norwich-Nottingham section. If someone could give me these that would be great.

Many thanks.

05:50 (SuX) Norwich-Liverpool & 13:52 (SuO) Liverpool-Norwich are the only booked double unit services East of Nottingham.
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Whilst still on the subject, the 10:47 ex-Norwich was today a 6-car formation. Not often that happens.

 

[Bungle965]

05:50 (SuX) Norwich-Liverpool & 13:52 (SuO) Liverpool-Norwich are the only booked double unit services East of Nottingham.
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Whilst still on the subject, the 10:47 ex-Norwich was today a 6-car formation. Not often that happens.

Six!
Can`t remember the last time that happened, presumably it split at Nottingham?
Sam

 

[dk1]

Six!
Can`t remember the last time that happened, presumably it split at Nottingham?
Sam

Maybe someone can enlight us? Just saw it leave whilst awaiting the buzz-buzz with the slightly delayed 10:45 Yarmouth.

 

[47271]

Slightly off topic but the thread reminds me.

I caught a Norwich train out of Liverpool the other day and was slightly surprised to be sat in a 156 as the front unit, the rear was the usual 158. How common is it for EMT 156s to turn up in Liverpool? I hadn't seen it before, but I only come into contact with the operator if they're the quickest way between Manchester and Liverpool, it could just be me not being aware.

 

[grumblingalong]

Slightly off topic but the thread reminds me.

I caught a Norwich train out of Liverpool the other day and was slightly surprised to be sat in a 156 as the front unit, the rear was the usual 158. How common is it for EMT 156s to turn up in Liverpool? I hadn't seen it before, but I only come into contact with the operator if they're the quickest way between Manchester and Liverpool, it could just be me not being aware.

156's fairly regularly find their way to Norwich on that end of things, I'd say around once a month so I'd imagine it's a similar story at the Liverpool end. I have seen 153's on Norwich-Nottinghams before, that's a rough deal!

 

[Bungle965]

Slightly off topic but the thread reminds me.

I caught a Norwich train out of Liverpool the other day and was slightly surprised to be sat in a 156 as the front unit, the rear was the usual 158. How common is it for EMT 156s to turn up in Liverpool? I hadn't seen it before, but I only come into contact with the operator if they're the quickest way between Manchester and Liverpool, it could just be me not being aware.

Regularly turns up in place of a 158, normally the front set is a 156 which would be split at Nottingham with the rear portion (158) carrying onto Norwich.
Sam

 

[PHILIPE]

According to a Facebook picture, a 156/153 Combo recently worked between Nottingham and Liverpool

 

[47271]

Thanks for the info everyone

 

[howittpie]

Maybe someone can enlight us? Just saw it leave whilst awaiting the buzz-buzz with the slightly delayed 10:45 Yarmouth.

It may have been because of football as Peterborough were playing an fa cup tie at Notts County and that was the only train fans could get for a 2 o'clock kick off.

 

[bradders1983]

Ive just got the train back from Nottingham to Sheffield this morning (the 1147), got to platform 7 and there was an empty 2 car waiting there, the train from Norwich pulled in behind it and they were coupled together.

Question - what had this empty 2 car been doing beforehand? Uncoupled from the previous service that had left to go towards Norwich?

 

[PHILIPE]

Ive just got the train back from Nottingham to Sheffield this morning (the 1147), got to platform 7 and there was an empty 2 car waiting there, the train from Norwich pulled in behind it and they were coupled together.

Question - what had this empty 2 car been doing beforehand? Uncoupled from the previous service that had left to go towards Norwich?

That's the norm.

 

[MCR247]

kind of - they do a shunt to the depot after having detached from the hour befores norwich train

 

[LowLevel]

Ive just got the train back from Nottingham to Sheffield this morning (the 1147), got to platform 7 and there was an empty 2 car waiting there, the train from Norwich pulled in behind it and they were coupled together.

Question - what had this empty 2 car been doing beforehand? Uncoupled from the previous service that had left to go towards Norwich?

Yes. It goes and sits on Eastcroft depot until about XX15 or a bit later then drops into the platform.

156s are more common than they used to be - there used to be a penalty each time one went to Liverpool but that was removed a year or two ago. Most days now one ends up in Liverpool but Norwich is less common. The 158 fleet is a bit stretched at the minute with one away for PRM TSI mods, 889 barred from Norwich jobs except by specific authorisation (seat layout doesn't work with reservations and it keeps breaking down) and the recently modified 783 is multi only due to PA and toilet faults.

153s are rare but do go occasionally, more to Liverpool than Norwich, generally to bury a detective cab.

 

[bradders1983]

kind of - they do a shunt to the depot after having detached from the hour befores norwich train

So the front portion of the 1147 departure from Nottingham would have been the back portion of the 1027 arrival into Nottingham then?

Strikes me as an utter waste of resources, having 2 carriages just sat there for 80 minutes doing nothing every single time.

 

[PHILIPE]

So the front portion of the 1147 departure from Nottingham would have been the back portion of the 1027 arrival into Nottingham then?

Strikes me as an utter waste of resources, having 2 carriages just sat there for 80 minutes doing nothing every single time.

What else are they going to do then ? They can't carry on to Norwich otherwise they would be "lost" to provide 4 cars to Liverpool.

 

[louis97]

So the front portion of the 1147 departure from Nottingham would have been the back portion of the 1027 arrival into Nottingham then?

Strikes me as an utter waste of resources, having 2 carriages just sat there for 80 minutes doing nothing every single time.

It is unworkable to attach to the next departure after arrival, the Liverpool services have a 10+ minute dwell and the Norwich dwells for 5-7 minutes. So the shunt for the attachment can't leave until the Norwich has left, and by that time the Liverpool has already arrived - leaving too little time to shunt and attach without delaying the Liverpool departure.

Plus the 80 minutes allows for any delays arriving from Liverpool.

 

[bradders1983]

It is unworkable to attach to the next departure after arrival, the Liverpool services have a 10+ minute dwell and the Norwich dwells for 5-7 minutes. So the shunt for the attachment can't leave until the Norwich has left, and by that time the Liverpool has already arrived - leaving too little time to shunt and attach without delaying the Liverpool departure.

Plus the 80 minutes allows for any delays arriving from Liverpool.

What else are they going to do then ? They can't carry on to Norwich otherwise they would be "lost" to provide 4 cars to Liverpool.

Woe betide they consider splitting the route into Liverpool-Nottingham (4 cars) and Nottingham-Norwich (2 car) services, but I know that has been a bone of contention on these boards for a while!

FWIW, there was barely anyone left on the 2 cars that had come in once I had let the masses get off at Nottingham.

 

[MrTurbostar170]

Many thanks to all that have replied.

 

[edwin_m]

From reasonably frequent use I'd say 156s form the Nottingham-Liverpool portion on about 10% of occasions and can keep time at least as far as Manchester (I rarely go further) despite being limited to 75mph. I've never seen one on the Norwich portion, presumably because they need the 90mph to keep time on the ECML section.

 

[CockneySparrow]

Six!
Can`t remember the last time that happened, presumably it split at Nottingham?
Sam

Has happened before, if GA have borrowed a unit and it goes back, could be a breakdown or cancelling of services

 

[W230]

I've never seen one on the Norwich portion, presumably because they need the 90mph to keep time on the ECML section.

The last time I took one it was a 156 leaving Norwich. It was a good 10 down by Ely where I changed so don't know how it got on with the ECML...

 

[185143]

I've had an 8 car 158 into Manchester before, beat that!

I'll dig the video out

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I've had an 8 car 158 into Manchester before, beat that!

I'll dig the video out

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https://vimeo.com/194736607

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[CockneySparrow]

The last time I took one it was a 156 leaving Norwich. It was a good 10 down by Ely where I changed so don't know how it got on with the ECML...

There was a EMT 156 in Norwich on Monday around lunchtime

 

[DasLunatic]

There was a EMT 156 in Norwich on Monday around lunchtime

That'd be 415 I reckon - GA have it on a lease to cover some services on the Wherry and Bitterne lines IIRC

 

[LowLevel]

The last time I took one it was a 156 leaving Norwich. It was a good 10 down by Ely where I changed so don't know how it got on with the ECML...

That's more related to the amount of engineering slacks and long signalling sections, it's quite common to be up to 10 minutes late at Ely, there's then a bit of slack Ely - Peterborough - Grantham.

They do head to Norwich now and then. A few times a month maybe. Obviously it's not preferred, along with 158889, because it messes up seat reservations.

 

[howittpie]

Interestingly the 12.34 from Nottingham to Norwich continued on as 4 coaches today have never known this on this service before.

 

[LowLevel]

Interestingly the 12.34 from Nottingham to Norwich continued on as 4 coaches today have never known this on this service before.

Chesterfield FC playing at Peterborough. They do strengthen some football services on the route.