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Paper Travelcard for Lizzie Line to Heathrow

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Hi Folks,

Is a paper zones 1-6 Travelcard valid for journeys to and around Heathrow on the Elizabeth Line? I think it's OK on the Piccadilly Line but would like to cover all the lines there if possible.

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Thanks - the 'special fares apply' bit on the Tube map was worrying!

If you use Oyster/contactless there's a supplementary charge, but for paper Travelcards there isn't.

Very often the cheapest way to do Heathrow and back from a South East station for a holiday is 2 outboundary day Travelcards, one on the outward day and one on the return!
 

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If you use Oyster/contactless there's a supplementary charge, but for paper Travelcards there isn't.
Only for singles, which attract a small premium on top of the usual zonal fares. The daily cap doesn’t attract the premium.

Just for further clarity, Travelcards are NOT valid on the Heathrow Express.
 

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Only for singles, which attract a small premium on top of the usual zonal fares. The daily cap doesn’t attract the premium.

Just for further clarity, Travelcards are NOT valid on the Heathrow Express.
I wouldn't call £12.20/£13.30 vs £5.60 a small premium (comparison is for Zone 1 (from Paddington/(Underground to Paddington then) to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line vs from Zone 1 by Underground).
 

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I wouldn't call £12.20/£13.30 vs £5.60 a small premium (comparison is for Zone 1 (from Paddington/(Underground to Paddington then) to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line vs from Zone 1 by Underground).

I'm confused - does that mean that Central London to Heathrow via tube & Eliz is cheaper than just all the way by tube?
 

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I'm confused - does that mean that Central London to Heathrow via tube & Eliz is cheaper than just all the way by tube?
Other way round. It’s a lot more expensive if you go on the Elizabeth line line.

As for Travelcards, they are valid although it’s about 50:50 as to whether the gateline accepts them for me.
 
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Related to this, would an Anytime Day Single paper ticket to Zone 6 (ZONE U1256 LONDN) be valid to Heathrow Elizabeth Line?

This is £6.70 from e.g. Wapping.
 

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Related to this, would an Anytime Day Single paper ticket to Zone 6 (ZONE U1256 LONDN) be valid to Heathrow Elizabeth Line?

This is £6.70 from e.g. Wapping.
No, Heathrow is in a nice confusing situation where a 1-6 travelcard is valid, but a point-point valid to zone 6 is not
 

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Related to this, would an Anytime Day Single paper ticket to Zone 6 (ZONE U1256 LONDN) be valid to Heathrow Elizabeth Line?

This is £6.70 from e.g. Wapping.
Just to make it extra confusing, LU single and return tickets (such as the one you suggest) are valid on the Elizabeth line between London Paddington and Abbey Wood, but not between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminals. The rest of the line it's pretty ambiguous. I probably wouldn't use one but you probably would be fine to.

U zone tickets are a real odd one these days, being automatically valid for London Underground and the DLR, and parts of London Overground that used to be London Underground, or are shared with it still, and on the other routes where LU tickets are accepted by National Rail services in general. But generally they're not valid on Trams or Buses. Generally they're actually accepted by London Overground more widely than this too, because it's a logical interpretation they'd be valid - but they would be very unlikely to be accepted on Elizabeth line services to Heathrow Airport despite the same logic applying. They're the only single and return tickets available for a journey like Chelmsford to Bond Street, but they're not permitted for Chelmsford to Heathrow Terminals, making exactly the same journey, but staying onboard the same train for longer. The full Heathrow Express option is the only through ticket available for that journey.

U zone tickets including the relevant zones can of course be used as usual to Heathrow Terminals by the Piccadilly line, though.
 
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I'm confused - does that mean that Central London to Heathrow via tube & Eliz is cheaper than just all the way by tube?
To clarify:

£12.20 is Paddington to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line

£13.30 is Underground to Paddington then to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line

£5.60 is Zone 1 by Underground all the way to Heathrow
 

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To clarify:

£12.20 is Paddington to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line

£13.30 is Underground to Paddington then to Heathrow by Elizabeth Line

£5.60 is Zone 1 by Underground all the way to Heathrow
Indeed.

And of course, from Earl's Court to Heathrow Terminals it's only £2.10 off peak or £3.40 peak, and that's without the much-publicised option of touching out at Hatton Cross and making use of the free Piccadilly line transfer.
 

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The last time I flew from Heathrow I used a weekender return Dartford to U1256. With the Network Railcard that worked out of £6.50 per direction, which for a mixed-mode journey including train and tube was the cheapest way I could find.

I went via Abbey Wood, Ealing Broadway and Acton Town (it did occur to me that TfL might think the train from Abbey Wood to Ealing Broadway ceases to be a tube train for fares purposes when it leaves Paddington, so I considered changing at Tottenham Court Road/Leicester Square or Paddington/Earls Court, but seeing as they don't make their position on that remotely clear I decided to just take the faster route).

When I returned on the Sunday the Heathrow end of the Piccadilly Line was closed and ticket acceptance was in place, so I was able to take the Elizabeth Line all the way from Terminal 5 to Abbey Wood.
 

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I went via Abbey Wood, Ealing Broadway and Acton Town (it did occur to me that TfL might think the train from Abbey Wood to Ealing Broadway ceases to be a tube train for fares purposes when it leaves Paddington, so I considered changing at Tottenham Court Road/Leicester Square or Paddington/Earls Court, but seeing as they don't make their position on that remotely clear I decided to just take the faster route).
I agree very much. It's clear as mud what they think is permitted or not. Luckily, I think the chances of any ticket inspection onboard the train from Paddington until Ealing Broadway or from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town are slim indeed.
 

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I agree very much. It's clear as mud what they think is permitted or not. Luckily, I think the chances of any ticket inspection onboard the train from Paddington until Ealing Broadway or from Ealing Broadway to Acton Town are slim indeed.
I don't think any potential vulnerability in the event of a ticket check would have extended to the Ealing Broadway to Acton Town leg anyway. They wouldn't know how I got to Ealing Broadway.
 

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I don't think any potential vulnerability in the event of a ticket check would have extended to the Ealing Broadway to Acton Town leg anyway. They wouldn't know how I got to Ealing Broadway.

I've gone past a revenue inspection inside the barriers at Acton Town, in the past 12 months. They were facing the barriers and checking people as they were entering, and probably also on the way out, however they didn't notice me as I was using the lifts to go from the eastbound to westbound platform; anyway as you say you would have been fine with your ticket.
 
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