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Possible solutions for South TPE / CLC line services?

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What's the daily availability for the 802s?

If there was a spare set available then could it be used for one Liverpool Lime Street to Cleethorpes service routed via Earlestown to Manchester Piccadilly, thus using the OHLE through to Stockport?
 
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What's the daily availability for the 802s?

If there was a spare set available then could it be used for one Liverpool Lime Street to Cleethorpes service routed via Earlestown to Manchester Piccadilly, thus using the OHLE through to Stockport?
I’m theory yes, but In reality no because only Liverpool drivers and guards sign them.

The route will rely on Liverpool drivers and guards, Manchester Piccadilly drivers and guards, Manchester Airport guards, Sheffield drivers and guards and Cleethorpes drivers and guards
 

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What's the daily availability for the 802s?

If there was a spare set available then could it be used for one Liverpool Lime Street to Cleethorpes service routed via Earlestown to Manchester Piccadilly, thus using the OHLE through to Stockport?
Some are to be drafted on the WCML Anglo-Scottish services to supplement the 397s as well I believe.
 

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What's the daily availability for the 802s?

If there was a spare set available then could it be used for one Liverpool Lime Street to Cleethorpes service routed via Earlestown to Manchester Piccadilly, thus using the OHLE through to Stockport?
Nominally 3 a day on maintenance but the issue is again to do with the availability of stabling - most of the current spares are at Heaton, and there are no 'unused' spaces at other depots, so without silly ECSs from Sheffield/Doncaster to Heaton etc., you'd struggle to provide a unit for a Cleethorpes service.

Doncaster Carr is conveniently located in a sense, but the double sets that go on/off there each day head to York to form Newcastle-Liverpool services.
 

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If Northern maintained their Manchester Airport - Warrington Central - Liverpool service when this Cleethorpes - Liverpool service started, it would reduce or even eliminate the need for the EMR Nottingham - Liverpool service to continue. Admittedly some local extras from Nottingham to Sheffield would still be needed. This could solve the problem of EMR now having to retain some 158s for the Liverpool service.
 

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If Northern maintained their Manchester Airport - Warrington Central - Liverpool service when this Cleethorpes - Liverpool service started, it would reduce or even eliminate the need for the EMR Nottingham - Liverpool service to continue. Admittedly some local extras from Nottingham to Sheffield would still be needed. This could solve the problem of EMR now having to retain some 158s for the Liverpool service.
No it wouldn't because the Airport to Liverpool service is on the wrong side of the hour. Either that, or the Cleethorpes service would need to be retimed to replace the Nottingham service.

The whole reason why this swap works is because the trains fit the same path east of Manchester.
 

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If Northern maintained their Manchester Airport - Warrington Central - Liverpool service when this Cleethorpes - Liverpool service started, it would reduce or even eliminate the need for the EMR Nottingham - Liverpool service to continue. Admittedly some local extras from Nottingham to Sheffield would still be needed. This could solve the problem of EMR now having to retain some 158s for the Liverpool service.

Zero chance - removing the EMR services from Sheffield - Manchester would be a dramatic reduction in capacity that's already struggling to meet demand.
 

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If Northern maintained their Manchester Airport - Warrington Central - Liverpool service when this Cleethorpes - Liverpool service started, it would reduce or even eliminate the need for the EMR Nottingham - Liverpool service to continue. Admittedly some local extras from Nottingham to Sheffield would still be needed. This could solve the problem of EMR now having to retain some 158s for the Liverpool service.

The Liverpool to Cleethorpes service is essentially a replacement for the Northern service
 

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The Liverpool to Cleethorpes service is essentially a replacement for the Northern service
Oh yes, that makes more sense. The Cleethorpes service is effectively diverted to Liverpool via Warrington to replace the Warrington service.

There has been quite a reduction in trains to Manchester Airport. Fewer trains from Huddersfield, and no more from Cleethorpes or Warrington Central. Maybe the Liverpool - Earlestown - Piccadilly - Airport will be reinstated.
 

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Oh yes, that makes more sense. The Cleethorpes service is effectively diverted to Liverpool via Warrington to replace the Warrington service.

There has been quite a reduction in trains to Manchester Airport. Fewer trains from Huddersfield, and no more from Cleethorpes or Warrington Central. Maybe the Liverpool - Earlestown - Piccadilly - Airport will be reinstated.
That does make me wonder whether Northern would be open to diverting the Liv - MIA fasts via the Chat Moss Line - then again, it would make the Deansgate Corridor even more congested than it already is…
 

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That does make me wonder whether Northern would be open to diverting the Liv - MIA fasts via the Chat Moss Line - then again, it would make the Deansgate Corridor even more congested than it already is…
In a word, no. This service pattern is the outcome of the MRTF consultation. For all of the government's mealy-mouthed promises, that's the most intensive service you're going to get through Castlefield - unless and until the infrastructure is upgraded.
 

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There has been quite a reduction in trains to Manchester Airport. Fewer trains from Huddersfield, and no more from Cleethorpes or Warrington Central.
Or Wigan. But four an hour from Bolton (although that includes TPE, which isn't carrying local passengers.) The inevitable result of reducing conflicting movements though Castlefield.
 

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Most days I've seen empty TPE 185s running trips between Lime Street and Oxford Road via Warrington Central all day, presumably for driver training?
Indeed, TPE even managed to run these training runs during Storm Eunice when Northern cancelled services for several hours due to the 'weather' incompetence!
 
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