Potential up to 2,000 job losses at Alstom Derby

[43096]

The delivery of 2,600 vehicles isn't failure.

It is if they are delivered years late and are riddled with faults.

 

[stuu]

The delivery of 2,600 vehicles isn't failure.

A quarter of them are four years late and still don't work properly. That's not the best advert

 

[Dan G]

No its not but building some of them to such a poor quality that no one wants to order more is failure.

As far as I know today's Aventra hasn't lost any tenders it's been entered for (the Thameslink bid was an earlier version subsequently redesigned).

It's the lack of tenders that's the problem for Litchurch Lane.

 

[45076]

A quarter of them are four years late and still don't work properly. That's not the best advert

They do work, 345's, 710's, 720's and the 730's that have been introduced work. It's SWR's management that doesn't appear to work.

 

[Invincible]

No its not but building some of them to such a poor quality that no one wants to order more is failure.

But was mostly due to having to sort shorter cabs during COVID and the bad discussion to outsource software to save costs.

 

[Bornin1980s]

The worst part is the government refuses to give up and keeps chasing the illusive export orders - ironically making decisions that weaken the domestic potential for the industry.

We chose the AGR over the SGHWR because it was considered to have more export potential, but it never sold a reactor abroad and we ended up with an operationally inferior nuclear fleet.
Or just buying the CANDU as was originally proposed.

Then there is this whole mess, we've created a mess of train producers, none of which is able to truly compete with manufacturers abroad.

Other countries have created successful export industries. Why are we so uniquely bad at it?

 

[Invincible]

Surely got to add to that other 15x units at other TOCs (EMR, GWR and SWR), not just the ones at Northern? Makes little sense replacing the Northern ones and none of the others - beneficial to replace them all in one go.

Or spread out 15x replacement orders so the UK factories have a steady stream of work over several years, rather than another "boom and bust".

Ideally there should be an Aventra prototype version of the fast charge battery 230 train testing on various lines.

Other countries have created successful export industries. Why are we so uniquely bad at it?

For trains there are different requirements in other countries, it must be possible to get some flexibility in UK factories to economically produce trains for export (as in the past). But the market is getting competitive.