R Grades

[Ex LT]

Can anyone help in the 1980/90 the grading for managers used R now they use Q as well as others. Does anyone have who was in which grade R1 was high up where as R18 was a Duty Station manager. Hope this is clear.

 

[endicomark69@g]

No, that's not very clear at all.

Are you asking for an organisation chart from the 80s or 90s showing actual names or just a diagram of what jobs related to which R Grade?

 

[Ex LT]

No, that's not very clear at all.

Are you asking for an organisation chart from the 80s or 90s showing actual names or just a diagram of what jobs related to which R Grade?

I am after a chart or whatever form it comes in but yes which grade title to which R Grade. Thanks I looked at my post and it seemed wrong must be weather related.

 

[Ralph Ayres]

That takes me back! If you're hoping to challenge something rather than just reminiscing then the best of luck at this distance. Your union may still have records as it will all have been negotiated. I can confirm that R18 was the lowest as I was one briefly; Personnel made a hash of the regrading and ended up having to allow some of us to revert back to our old technical grades but keep the First Class travel entitlement, which was a real bonus. I suspect that although it hypothetically went all the way up to R1 (the Chairman?), in practice many of the higher grades used names rather than R numbers, as the salary scale I have from 1987 only covers R18 up to R13. Sorry, it doesn't cross-reference to job titles.

 

[notverydeep]

That takes me back! If you're hoping to challenge something rather than just reminiscing then the best of luck at this distance. Your union may still have records as it will all have been negotiated. I can confirm that R18 was the lowest as I was one briefly; Personnel made a hash of the regrading and ended up having to allow some of us to revert back to our old technical grades but keep the First Class travel entitlement, which was a real bonus. I suspect that although it hypothetically went all the way up to R1 (the Chairman?), in practice many of the higher grades used names rather than R numbers, as the salary scale I have from 1987 only covers R18 up to R13. Sorry, it doesn't cross-reference to job titles.

There would have been many job titles for each grade, but as an example, I was a Service Analyst (R17), then Transport Planner (R16), but you could be promoted to R15 in that job. By the time I was, I was part of London Underground ahead of the Public Private Partnership which saw London Transport become TfL, so R15 had become MMG0…

No Priv of any sort for me (one year too late), let alone first class .

 

[endicomark69@g]

That takes me back! If you're hoping to challenge something rather than just reminiscing then the best of luck at this distance. Your union may still have records as it will all have been negotiated. I can confirm that R18 was the lowest as I was one briefly; Personnel made a hash of the regrading and ended up having to allow some of us to revert back to our old technical grades but keep the First Class travel entitlement, which was a real bonus. I suspect that although it hypothetically went all the way up to R1 (the Chairman?), in practice many of the higher grades used names rather than R numbers, as the salary scale I have from 1987 only covers R18 up to R13. Sorry, it doesn't cross-reference to job titles.

There were R18s as the lowest entry to the Duty Manager Grades when the Company Plan rearranged/destroyed everything in 1990/91 - my colleague was one - DSM at Ladbroke Grove Group.

I ended up as an R13* before I was retired - that was the lowest Business Manager equivalent (a few old lag Centurions/GSMs were also R14) although I never got BM perks (remember cars?) I just did the job for a year. I did keep my 1st Priv so I'm not complaining.

Above R10/11 were senior ranks, probably not that many for any given grade or job title.

R1 was probably like No.1 in The Prisoner, nominally they were said to exist as the top of the pyramid but nobody would ever see him/her.

 

[100andthirty]

From memory

Above R6 - a Director of some sort
R6-R9 General Manager although some people running small units were sometimes given the job title 'director'
R10-R12 Business Manager
R!3-R15 Manager
R16-R18 Support Manager

I don't recognise R19 but that might just be defective memory!

Before the mid 1980s there were the following grades with R grades they became in brackets:

Executive Assistant (R18-R17)
Senior Executive Assistant (R16-R15)
Principal Executive Assistant (R14-R13)
Officer (R12-R10)
Senior Officer (R9-R6)
Chief Officer (Above R6)

Generally, in those days, no one had the title 'director' apart from the managing director

 

[pitdiver]

"Company Plan" now there's a phrase I wont forget. Nearly as bad as "Action Stations"

 

[Ex LT]

Thanks for all your replies I had forgotten about Action Stations which was meant to be trialled on the Met north if I remember. I also don't remember R19 but with LU you just don't know.

 

[pitdiver]

Thanks for all your replies I had forgotten about Action Stations which was meant to be trialled on the Met north if I remember. I also don't remember R19 but with LU you just don't know.

When i joined in 89 whilst at the RTC an announcement was made that Action Stations had been cancelled. A loud cheer went up.I didn't know at that stage the significance of that response. However when i ended up at the north end of "The Met" all became clear.
I worked with a guy who had qualified as a SSM with the corresponding salary but was working as a BC2 at Watford, Croxley and the like. Much to the disgust of the other Booking Clerks.

However LUL got their own way with the "Company Plan"

 

[Ex LT]

When i joined in 89 whilst at the RTC an announcement was made that Action Stations had been cancelled. A loud cheer went up.I didn't know at that stage the significance of that response. However when i ended up at the north end of "The Met" all became clear.
I worked with a guy who had qualified as a SSM with the corresponding salary but was working as a BC2 at Watford, Croxley and the like. Much to the disgust of the other Booking Clerks.

However LUL got their own way with the "Company Plan"

It was always going to happen just under a another name. I remember when they were going to start Action Stations the GSM designate a railway person for years before there was an issue with the clock at Harrow on the Hill, he told a member of staff to go and get a battery clock which they did then they cut the wires and fitted it. Some days later reports were received that clocks not working correctly the wires they cut controlled all the clocks!!

 

[pitdiver]

It was always going to happen just under a another name. I remember when they were going to start Action Stations the GSM designate a railway person for years before there was an issue with the clock at Harrow on the Hill, he told a member of staff to go and get a battery clock which they did then they cut the wires and fitted it. Some days later reports were received that clocks not working correctly the wires they cut controlled all the clocks!!

A similar thing happened in the booking offices. The Chief Booking Clerks were shall we say disposed of. None of the remaining.. staff in some stations hadn't a clue what was was going on as some4 of them were ex Station Foremen who had become SSMF2s. At my station I used to swap the Booking office turn with the ex Stn Foreman

 

[Deepgreen]

I recall the pre-R grade days and the post-R grade days alike. There was quite a bit of flexibility in the R grades assigned to each job, depending on various factors. I recall going from R17 to R14 in a single promotion in around 1992.

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From memory

Above R6 - a Director of some sort
R6-R9 General Manager although some people running small units were sometimes given the job title 'director'
R10-R12 Business Manager
R!3-R15 Manager
R16-R18 Support Manager

I don't recognise R19 but that might just be defective memory!

Before the mid 1980s there were the following grades with R grades they became in brackets:

Executive Assistant (R18-R17)
Senior Executive Assistant (R16-R15)
Principal Executive Assistant (R14-R13)
Officer (R12-R10)
Senior Officer (R9-R6)
Chief Officer (Above R6)

Generally, in those days, no one had the title 'director' apart from the managing director

Not defective - there was no R19.