Red light cameras at Level Crossings

[bluenoxid]

This might seem a strange question but does anyone know of a Red Light Camera Trials at a Level Crossing in the East Anglia area in 2002/3?

In addition, does anyone know of any trials (for the same equipment) undertaken at Kirknewton and Old Dalby during September 2003?

 

[es373]

Infra red cameras by the way you make it sound?

 

[PaulLothian]

Is this related to your enquiry? http://www.rssb.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/pdf/reports/research/T333_rpt1_final.pdf

 

[jopsuk]

Infra red cameras by the way you make it sound?

No, I think he means traffic enforcement ones similar to those found at junctions, that will snap a picture of any vehicle passing the lights when red and fine them automatically.

 

[142094]

Should be installed on a lot more level crossing than they currently are.

 

[BriefEncounter]

This might seem a strange question but does anyone know of a Red Light Camera Trials at a Level Crossing in the East Anglia area in 2002/3?

In addition, does anyone know of any trials (for the same equipment) undertaken at Kirknewton and Old Dalby during September 2003?

I don't know about the trials, but there is a Camera Van doing the rounds in East Anglia, as well as other hot spots. BBC news, August 2011

 

[Ploughman]

There has been a Speed type camera installed at Hensall at the Snaith and Pontefract Highway Level Crossing(to give it its full title) on the Wakefield - Goole line on the A645 for at least 15 years now but probably longer.
I realise it is out of your area but is of the type you mean.
I think it also holds the distinction of being the only fixed speed camera installed in North Yorkshire.

 

[ObservationCar]

We have 3 AOCL crossings in Dingwall all with cameras in both directions. But this is no substitute for AHB or full barriers, as there is a high incidence rate on them. There are only 8 trains a day, but they are all on busy roads, and people are more complaicent on lines that are less used, as they do not think a train will come. All three are used by school children and are close to schools, so IMO should all have barriers to protect them. As red light cameras only reduce incidents from motorists not predestrians.

 

[142094]

However you could argue that a car/road vehicle presents a greater danger to a train than a pedestrian if it goes through the crossing when the wig-wags are showing.

 

[rockford]

There's one at Sawbridgeworth level crossing, if that helps in any way?

 

[jopsuk]

We have 3 AOCL crossings in Dingwall all with cameras in both directions. But this is no substitute for AHB or full barriers, as there is a high incidence rate on them. There are only 8 trains a day, but they are all on busy roads, and people are more complaicent on lines that are less used, as they do not think a train will come. All three are used by school children and are close to schools, so IMO should all have barriers to protect them. As red light cameras only reduce incidents from motorists not predestrians.

Red light cameras are useful even at full barrier crossings, either CCTV or locally controlled, so that drivers who go through the lights on descending barriers (but manage to avoid getting tangled) can be caught and prosecuted.

 

[142094]

Red light cameras are useful even at full barrier crossings, either CCTV or locally controlled, so that drivers who go through the lights on descending barriers (but manage to avoid getting tangled) can be caught and prosecuted.

Plus there are the idiots who will drive around the barriers on AHB crossings too. Camera theer at least means they can be punished.

 

[bluenoxid]

I am talking about RLEE cameras

Is this related to your enquiry? http://www.rssb.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/pdf/reports/research/T333_rpt1_final.pdf

Yes very interesting. I have been trying to find out more information about the roll out of more cameras at crossings and why the Home Office has been slow to approve but it appears that this relates to digital units and not wet film.#

Digital units would reduce the maintenance costs per camera considerably and help improve prosecutions. Fingers crossed, they get approval.

 

[boing_uk]

Type Approval for any new enforcement device is slow, complicated further in the case of rail crossings in that approval from two bodies is required.

Red light enforcement for traffic signals became an issue when LED signalling first came out, as sometimes the photo would be captured and the red aspect would appear to be unlit, due to the on-off nature of LED's cycling at 50Hz. This happened on both wet film and digital devices.

I have not had any involvement in red light enforcement devices for a number of years now so cannot really comment on how this has been worked around. The old work-around was to have a single halogen aspect in front of the camera rather than an LED.

Also newer LED aspects use a smoothed DC rather than AC (either fed directly from the controller, or rectified in the aspect) so the issue of flicker has been greatly reduced as well.

The biggest problem though in my own experience is getting the central ticket offices to actually get on board with red light cameras. They are not as big a revenue earner as speed cameras and as we all know travelling just 0.5mph above the speed limit kills literally millions of children in the UK every day, so that is where the priorities lie unfortunately.

 

[mailbyrail]

This is how they do it in Russia - you wouldn't drive past these stop lights

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[matchmaker]

The biggest problem though in my own experience is getting the central ticket offices to actually get on board with red light cameras. They are not as big a revenue earner as speed cameras and as we all know travelling just 0.5mph above the speed limit kills literally millions of children in the UK every day, so that is where the priorities lie unfortunately.

What about the kittens and bunny wabbits? :roll:

 

[OuterDistant]

What's this comical looking device, anyone know? It seems to be 2 or 3 different types of camera all clumsily glued together!

 

[causton]

Looks like CCTV, red light/speed camera, and also a camera for monitoring the track (wouldn't it be more useful monitoring the track on the level crossing?)...

 

[michael769]

Looks like CCTV, red light/speed camera, and also a camera for monitoring the track (wouldn't it be more useful monitoring the track on the level crossing?)...

It is not a Home office approved device, so I suspect it is a CCTV mounting some bright spark has decided to turn into a fake camera.

(Though they can , and do, use CCTV footage to enforce the restrictions at crossings).

 

[HugePilchard]

This is how they do it in Russia - you wouldn't drive past these stop lights
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67185863@N06/6148507568/sizes/z/in/photostream/

Ah yes. Blockers. Ruthlessly efficient.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stsb9f3UuGE

The potential problem is that they work both ways, so a vehicle that was somehow stranded in the middle of the crossing would be unable to get out of the way - unless those Russian ones are designed to drop under the weight of a vehicle approaching from the track side?