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RMT Industrial Action Update to members

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I'm going to guess this was aimed at me. So to retort, where did I actually say that?
Ah, so if you don't use those exact words, you haven't said something (or, as in most cases of this, implied it)? Is that the road we're going down?
What I said was the wider discussion about socialist values was not for this topic. But if you'd like to start one, I'd more more than happy to discuss it.
Because if that's the case, you didn't say this either. You can't have it both ways, sorry.

The endemic use of "but that's for another topic/that's OT/we're digressing here" etc on these forums is always, with no exceptions, used after someone has already said what they wanted to. If someone considered a matter off topic, and posting about it wrong, they wouldn't post at all, and would therefore not want or need to post about anything being OT. But they do, many of them, multiple times a day across these forums, and it is very clear what the tacit message is. We can all play the game of suggesting something then pretending that wasn't what we meant because it wasn't explicitly said, word-for-word. What we can't do is make those reading it suddenly forget how language works. They know what was meant, even if sometimes we don't like being worked out and called for it.

Ironically I have considered starting a thread about the "but that's off topic" posts several times, as it really, really grates on me. Because it is exactly what I said it was, and cowardly to boot.
 
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That is stretching a point in reply to my mention of recent times in my query.... :rolleyes:

Your original question was how picketing specifically has helped solve industrial disputes. That belies a misunderstanding on your part of the role of picketing, which these days is largely symbolic/an act of protest.

People have responded to you with examples of where industrial action has brought about a resolution, probably because that’s what they assumed you were asking about.
 
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Your original question was how picketing specifically has helped solve industrial disputes. That belies a misunderstanding on your part of the role of picketing, which these days is largely symbolic/an act of protest.

People have responded to you with examples of where industrial action has brought about a resolution, probably because that’s what they assumed you were asking about.
Is it not the case that picketing is in fact part of actions in industrial action. Are there any recent cases where picketing has taken place when there has been no industrial action?

The Miners Strikes were an example of how the events of picketing during an industrial dispute did not have the desired effect hoped for by the trade union concerned.
 

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Long term industrial relations problems are not a good look for a Government.
I suspect that the Tories actually want the strike action to continue until election time.

They can accuse Labour of being beholden to "greedy trade unions", whilst the Tories are on the side of the long suffering British public.
 

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Ah, so if you don't use those exact words, you haven't said something (or, as in most cases of this, implied it)? Is that the road we're going down?

Because if that's the case, you didn't say this either. You can't have it both ways, sorry.

The endemic use of "but that's for another topic/that's OT/we're digressing here" etc on these forums is always, with no exceptions, used after someone has already said what they wanted to. If someone considered a matter off topic, and posting about it wrong, they wouldn't post at all, and would therefore not want or need to post about anything being OT. But they do, many of them, multiple times a day across these forums, and it is very clear what the tacit message is. We can all play the game of suggesting something then pretending that wasn't what we meant because it wasn't explicitly said, word-for-word. What we can't do is make those reading it suddenly forget how language works. They know what was meant, even if sometimes we don't like being worked out and called for it.

Ironically I have considered starting a thread about the "but that's off topic" posts several times, as it really, really grates on me. Because it is exactly what I said it was, and cowardly to boot.
Well then feel free to start a new thread in the general forum about how workers should never cross a picket line, and I will will discuss the reasons why that is never going to happen with you.
 

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Is it not the case that picketing is in fact part of actions in industrial action. Are there any recent cases where picketing has taken place when there has been no industrial action?

Not necessarily - it’s possible to take industrial action without attending a picket line. It’s been explained above what the purpose of picketing is…

The Miners Strikes were an example of how the events of picketing during an industrial dispute did not have the desired effect hoped for by the trade union concerned.

How is that relevant in 2024, and what point are you actually trying to make?
 

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How is that relevant in 2024, and what point are you actually trying to make?
I am sure that the Trades Union movement as a whole still regards the use of picketing as a useful aid to the furtherance of industrial action these days of 2024 as it was then. It is now more clarified in the type of picketing that is allowable. The point that I sought to make was that all the picketing that took place as part of the industrial action in the Miners' Strike had no lasting effect in its aims and did not save that particular industry from its eventual demise.

I am sure that all the fellow comrades on this thread will be pleased to know that I am leaving the thread.
 

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Right that's enough. At this stage we don't even know if there is going to be a strike ballot let alone a strike so we will leave it there.
 
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