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Romford to Bristol without taking a second mortgage

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bob007

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Hey,

I’ll be staying in Romford for a while and need to travel to Bristol a couple of times.

I can’t believe the train prices. It’s been a while since I’ve lived in the south but they seem insane. £60 for an off peak return from Paddington!? £133 peak? I must be doing something wrong

Any advice? Thanks
 
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It's a journey of 118 miles each way, so at £67 for a Super Off-Peak Return it costs 28p per mile - not cheap, but hardly "insane". However, I'd agree that the Anytime Return at £238.80 is extortionate. Nevertheless, there are a few ways you might still be able to reduce the price.

1) Buy Advances. These may be available for less than the cost of the through ticket, depending on when you book and which train you want to take.

2) Buy a combination of tickets. Didcot and/or Swindon have historically always been the worthwhile split points, though the saving available through this depends on what time of day you're travelling and whether you're making a day trip or are staying for longer.

3) Get a Railcard. Even if not eligible for one of the national Railcards (i.e. you're aged 31-59, have no disabilities or qualifying medical conditions, aren't a veteran or reservist, and are travelling on your own), you can still get a Network Railcard. This will allow you to get a third off the cost of the fare within the Network Area (i.e. between London and Didcot or Salisbury), albeit Network Railcard discounted tickets aren't valid before 10am Mon-Fri.

4) Use a cheaper route. There are cheaper through fares routed via Warminster & Salisbury, including a £49 Super Off-Peak Return (albeit this is subject to heavy time restrictions) and £51.50 Off-Peak Day Return (with less onerous time restrictions).

5) Buy a ticket from further afield. If you have to travel at "peak" times and none of the above options are yielding savings, you can always take advantage of the so-called "Network Area Rule". This isn't really a hard and fast rule anymore, but broadly speaking it suggests that if you buy a ticket from A to B via London, and both A and B are outside the Network Area, then the ticket will likely only have time restrictions between A and London, and not between London and B.

In this case you could therefore buy a Super Off-Peak Return from Peterborough to Bristol for £110 and it would only have restrictions between Peterborough and London - there would be no time restrictions whatsoever between London and Bristol. You'd therefore just throw away the validity between Peterborough and London (I suppose you could use it from Stratford to Paddington on the Tube and/or Elizabeth line).
 

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Ah yes I forgot how fast trains are down south! It takes 35 minutes to go 20 miles where I am (and 35p/mile off peak). It’s a fair distance I’ll give you that.

Really good info, thank you!
 

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Hey,

I’ll be staying in Romford for a while and need to travel to Bristol a couple of times.

I can’t believe the train prices. It’s been a while since I’ve lived in the south but they seem insane. £60 for an off peak return from Paddington!? £133 peak? I must be doing something wrong

Any advice? Thanks
When are you travelling? The off peak price really isn't bad and the peak price can be brought down by using a split ticket site, such as the forum's site.
 

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When are you travelling? The off peak price really isn't bad and the peak price can be brought down by using a split ticket site, such as the forum's site.
I’m flexible but I’m looking at a good full day at the office each day, so perhaps peak time? Ill check out the split tickets, thanks
 

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there would be no time restrictions whatsoever between London and Bristol.
I would wish you luck convincing a Paddington gateline attendant of this though, if you’re willing to stick to an itinerary you might manage it, but otherwise they will see the ‘Super Off Peak’ and refuse to let you through no matter what you throw at them. (Obviously wrongly, but little can be done at the time.)
 

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I would wish you luck convincing a Paddington gateline attendant of this though, if you’re willing to stick to an itinerary you might manage it, but otherwise they will see the ‘Super Off Peak’ and refuse to let you through no matter what you throw at them. (Obviously wrongly, but little can be done at the time.)
It is a bit tenuous that you can start short at Paddington earlier than you are allowed to arrive at Kings Cross with the Peterborough ticket.

However, I note that there aren't any written or electronic restrictions that explicitly prevent this approach.

Arguably the first unambiguously valid train is the 1202 from Paddington to Bristol, if Kings Cross can't be reached until 1117. By this time, it is cheaper to buy the ticket from London, although I recognise that savings are possible in the afternoon peak.
 
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It is a bit tenuous that you can start short at Paddington earlier than you are allowed to arrive at Kings Cross with such a ticket.
To be honest I was more thinking about the evening peak restrictions that they will almost definitely attempt to enforce.
 

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It is a bit tenuous that you can start short at Paddington earlier than you are allowed to arrive at Kings Cross with the Peterborough ticket.
It's not at all tenuous; you're entitled to break your journey (which includes starting late) on that ticket, as with 99% of walk-up fares.

You then apply the time restrictions to the train(s) you actually take, not putative ones you would have had to take if you'd done the full journey.

To be honest I was more thinking about the evening peak restrictions that they will almost definitely attempt to enforce.
There's certainly a possibility that you'd be wrongly rejected but I wouldn't say that it would definitely be the case. Producing an itinerary or reservations may help.
 

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Depends how time critical the journey is.

The cheapest ought to be Elizabeth line Romford-Reading on contactless, then separate ticket Reading-Bristol, possibly with a split at Didcot or Swindon or Westbury.

Without knowing journey day of week or time, difficult to check.
 

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