Should Chase Line Services between Birmingham-Rugeley T.V. return to terminate at Stafford again?

[Stephen Lee]

If I am right, I've heard about reintroduce services to terminate on the Chase Line, which was cutback to Rugeley T.V. 13 years ago as well a significant increase in the frequency of local services in order to make good use of the additional capacity which will become available post HS2. Anyone have opinion?

 

[The Planner]

If I am right, I've heard about reintroduce services to terminate on the Chase Line, which was cutback to Rugeley T.V. 13 years ago as well a significant increase in the frequency of local services in order to make good use of the additional capacity which will become available post HS2. Anyone have opinion?

I would use the capacity to run extra Trent Valley locals. Irrespective of post HS2, getting a train across Rugeley North still isn't a good idea.

 

[adrock1976]

I would go with The Planner and double the frequency of the existing Euston - Crewe to every 30 minutes, hopefully timed with a reasonable connection at Rugeley TV with the Chase Line trains.

An alternative I have thought of is now that the power station at Rugeley has been demolished, and depending upon the underlying ground conditions (as there used to be heavy coal mining activity near that area), is whether grade separation for southbound trains may be worthwhile?

According to the London North Western (North) Sectional Appendix (Page 7, 02/04/2016), although it may be easy to continue from Rugeley TV northbound to Stafford, southbound towards the Chase Line the train would have to weave across 4 tracks to reach Platforms 1 and 2, and have to be timetabled to make sure there are no other northbound or southbound trains between Colwick Jct and at least Rugeley TV, and nothing timetabled northbound to be in Platform 1 too (hope I got this right).

 

[The Planner]

I would go with The Planner and double the frequency of the existing Euston - Crewe to every 30 minutes, hopefully timed with a reasonable connection at Rugeley TV with the Chase Line trains.

An alternative I have thought of is now that the power station at Rugeley has been demolished, and depending upon the underlying ground conditions (as there used to be heavy coal mining activity near that area), is whether grade separation for southbound trains may be worthwhile?

No. Houses are getting built on it anyway.

 

[HST43257]

Just make a 2nd full length TV stopper.

Also IIRC Phase 1 will end with the line coming in before Rugeley, so not all fast paths will be freed up, just some.

 

[The Planner]

Just make a 2nd full length TV stopper.

Also IIRC Phase 1 will end with the line coming in before Rugeley, so not all fast paths will be freed up, just some.

Depends on if there is a gap between Phase 1 and 2a, or it opens at the same time. Once 2a is open its only 1tph anyway.

 

[HST43257]

Depends on if there is a gap between Phase 1 and 2a, or it opens at the same time. Once 2a is open its only 1tph anyway.

True.

I’d say that if there’s a significant enough gap in services post HS2, trial it - focus on freight and TV stoppers though.

 

[Stephen Lee]

Is the Rugby-Birmingham-Stafford section congested though.....

 

[The Planner]

Is the Rugby-Birmingham-Stafford section congested though.....

Now, yes, very

 

[Stephen Lee]

Now, yes, very

How will HS2 release Extra Capacity for the section...

 

[HST43257]

Is the Rugby-Birmingham-Stafford section congested though.....

Now, yes, very

In the future, much less so

 

[The Planner]

In the future, much less so

Cov corridor will be just as rammed., New St Wolves too. Avanti may go to 2tph but that will be replaced by a XC

How will HS2 release Extra Capacity for the section...

Will make it easier to timetable if Avanti drop to 2tph as you can have a half hourly pattern.

 

[waverley47]

This is a great idea for passengers, terrible idea for capacity.

You'd need (even with grade separation mentioned up threads which isn't happening as the land already earmarked for houses) to find paths both across colwich, and through shugborough tunnel.

Across colwich is difficult at the best of times, and through the tunnel would be virtually impossible.

 

[Stephen Lee]

Guys , why don't we have a look on the document shown below from West Midlands Rail Executive:

http://wmre.org.uk/media/14045/west-midlands-rail-report-final-version-jan-2019.pdf

Guys , why don't we have a look on the document shown below from West Midlands Rail Executive:

http://wmre.org.uk/media/14045/west-midlands-rail-report-final-version-jan-2019.pdf

some routes are diverted via routes that are non-electrified, does it mean new bi-mode trains/battery trains should be deployed?

Guys , why don't we have a look on the document shown below from West Midlands Rail Executive:

http://wmre.org.uk/media/14045/west-midlands-rail-report-final-version-jan-2019.pdf

some routes are diverted via routes that are non-electrified, does it mean new bi-mode trains/battery trains should be deployed?

I found a Stourbridge-Kidderminster-Worcester-Oxford-London Paddington service is being proposed, I wondered will it be faster or slower than via BMS/Leamington.......