Sites for Labour's New Towns that already have rail connections

[Snow1964]

Not new towns, but Government has just announced 3 ex military sites for new homes. Back in the war were served nearby by trains, but not really best connected by rail today

Deverell Barracks, near Ripon, North Yorkshire, which will be transferred to Homes England in order to speed up plans to build 1,300 homes.

1,300 homes to be unlocked at Chetwynd Barracks near Nottingham

Thousands of homes (so a whole town) at Wyton airfield, Cambridgeshire.

There are also media reports this morning of Network Rail land being released for 40,000 homes. Likely extra details are imminent and to follow.

Significant sites that are in the pipeline for development, include:

• Newcastle Forth Yards: a 100-acre regeneration opportunity which could deliver 5,000 new homes
• Manchester Mayfield: opportunity for 1,500 new homes
• Cambridge: a mixed-use development with 425 homes
• Nottingham: 200 new homes following 348 successfully delivered homes at The Barnum, Nottingham

New rail property company to unlock land for 40,000 homes

First four sites released in Newcastle, Cambridge, Manchester, and Nottingham

www.constructionenquirer.com

 

[Dr Day]

Lots of new homes planned, but where are the people who are going to be living in them going to be working? Where are those jobs moving from or are they actually genuine new jobs rather than new office space?

 

[bspahh]

Not new towns, but Government has just announced 3 ex military sites for new homes. Back in the war were served nearby by trains, but not really best connected by rail today

New rail property company to unlock land for 40,000 homes

First four sites released in Newcastle, Cambridge, Manchester, and Nottingham

www.constructionenquirer.com

The 425 homes it mentiones for Cambridge were announced in April

Plans approved for next phase of Cambridge North - Cambridge North

Cambridge North will deliver 53,700 sqm of commercial space, including provision for new laboratories and offices, 425 new homes and 5,000 sqm of flexible ground floor space for cafes, shops, bars and community space.

cambridgenorth.co.uk

Secretary of State Michael Gove has approved plans for the next phase of a mixed-use regeneration scheme at Cambridge North, on the derelict former railway sidings land next to Cambridge North Railway Station and Guided Busway Interchange. The development is being brought forward by the Chesterton Partnership – a venture comprising Network Rail Property and DB Cargo and development partner Brookgate.

The development supports a national and regional need for new homes and science and technology space. It will deliver 53,700 sq m of commercial space, including provision for new laboratories and offices, as the Cambridge region and the wider UK looks to establish itself as a life sciences superpower on the global stage.

A truly mixed-use development, the plans deliver 425 new homes and 5,000 sq m of flexible ground floor space for cafes, shops, bars and community space.

 

[Magdalia]

Lots of new homes planned, but where are the people who are going to be living in them going to be working?

Cambridge.

Where are those jobs moving from or are they actually genuine new jobs rather than new office space?

Many will be new jobs, often in businesses that don't exist yet.

Those businesses can't start and grow if there is nowhere for their workers to live.

 

[BrianW]

Lots of new homes planned, but where are the people who are going to be living in them going to be working? Where are those jobs moving from or are they actually genuine new jobs rather than new office space?

Working at/from home? Delivering pizzas by bike to folk working at home? Innovating? Caring for elderly/ disabled neighbours? Bus/taxidriving? Daydreaming?? Planning their next retirement cruise? Waiting on capital appreciation to draw down to pay their pension/ care costs? Work/ Jobs- such a 19th Century idea.

 

[Magdalia]

Caring for elderly/ disabled neighbours? Daydreaming?? Planning their next retirement cruise? Waiting on capital appreciation to draw down to pay their pension/ care costs?

People wanting to do those things are unlikely to be moving to a new town to do them, most people wanting to do those things will be staying where they live now.

The exception will be grandparents relocating to be near their working children so that they can care for their grandchildren.

 

[Bletchleyite]

People wanting to do those things are unlikely to be moving to a new town to do them, most people wanting to do those things will be staying where they live now.

The exception will be grandparents relocating to be near their working children so that they can care for their grandchildren.

I don't agree. Older people might move to an eco-town so they're in a better position when they have to stop driving, for example. Retiring in Milton Keynes, for example, sounds an absolutely horrid thing, with everything reliant on the car and awful public transport.

Of course they might move somewhere older that isn't car oriented like Cambridge, but a new build ecotown is definitely an option, and I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.

 

[The Ham]

I don't agree. Older people might move to an eco-town so they're in a better position when they have to stop driving, for example. Retiring in Milton Keynes, for example, sounds an absolutely horrid thing, with everything reliant on the car and awful public transport.

Of course they might move somewhere older that isn't car oriented like Cambridge, but a new build ecotown is definitely an option, and I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.

The other thing to be aware of is that as the UK has an aging population and so many more people are likely to be in such a situation (and by extension not actually in need of work).

 

[Magdalia]

a new build ecotown is definitely an option, and I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.

Logic, observation and experience.

Most older people don't move home at all until force of circumstance gives them no alternative. They have deep roots where they are because of family, social networks, local knowledge and sometimes just memories.

Most of those that do move go to be near people and places with which they are already familiar. New towns have neither.

 

[Meerkat]

The 425 homes it mentiones for Cambridge were announced in April

Plans approved for next phase of Cambridge North - Cambridge North

Cambridge North will deliver 53,700 sqm of commercial space, including provision for new laboratories and offices, 425 new homes and 5,000 sqm of flexible ground floor space for cafes, shops, bars and community space.

cambridgenorth.co.uk

Isn’t that a load of residential near active aggregates sidings? Is that wise?

 

[Technologist]

I don't agree. Older people might move to an eco-town so they're in a better position when they have to stop driving, for example. Retiring in Milton Keynes, for example, sounds an absolutely horrid thing, with everything reliant on the car and awful public transport.

Of course they might move somewhere older that isn't car oriented like Cambridge, but a new build ecotown is definitely an option, and I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.

However autonomous cars are already at the standard where they could operate in Milton Keynes, issues with legislation not withstanding. If planning at the timescales associated with New Towns it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that autonomous vehicles will be in operation and that older people will be capable of being transported from where they live to any other location in town.

Mapping begins ahead of autonomous shuttle trials | Milton Keynes City Council

www.milton-keynes.gov.uk

Such systems will never be worse than they are today.

 

[bspahh]

Isn’t that a load of residential near active aggregates sidings? Is that wise?

Its also near a sewage works, but that is going to be moved. Perhaps the aggregates sidings will also be moved.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...tment-plant-relocation-dco-decision-announced says:

Cambridge Waste Water Treatment Plant Relocation DCO decision announced​

The Cambridge Waste Water Treatment Plant Relocation application has today been granted development consent by the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.


The project comprises the construction and operation of an integrated waste water treatment centre and sludge treatment plant, transfer tunnels, terminal and intermediate pumping stations, vehicle access, utilities connections, renewable energy generation, ancillary buildings and landscaping.

The application was submitted to the Planning Inspectorate for consideration by Anglian Water Services Limited on 28 April 2023 and accepted for examination on 24 May 2023. 

Following an examination during which the public, statutory consultees and interested parties were given the opportunity to give evidence to the Examining Authority, recommendations were made to the Secretary of State on 12 July 2024.  

This is the second waste water application out of 154 applications examined to date and was again completed by the Planning Inspectorate within the statutory timescale laid down in the Planning Act 2008.  

Local communities continue to be given the opportunity of being involved in the examination of projects that may affect them. Local people, the local authority and other interested parties were able to participate in this six-month examination.  

The Examining Authority listened and gave full consideration to all local views and the evidence gathered during the examination before making its recommendation to the Secretary of State. 

The decision, the recommendation made by the Examining Authority to the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and the evidence considered by the Examining Authority in reaching its recommendation are publicly available on the project pages of the National Infrastructure Planning website. 

 

[Magdalia]

Its also near a sewage works, but that is going to be moved.

The BBC report is a bit more clear on what has happened today regarding the sewage works near Cambridge North.

Cambridge sewage relocation works approved for Honey Hill

Anglian Water will replace its current facility near Milton with a new plant close to Horningsea.

www.bbc.co.uk

Plans to relocate a sewage treatment works to make way for new homes have been approved.

Anglian Water has permission to replace its current Cambridge facility, near Milton, with a new plant on land known as Honey Hill, close to Horningsea.

The government approved, external the new Cambridge Waste Water Treatment Plant, despite the examining authority recommending that consent should be withheld.

Land at the former plant site would be redeveloped as part of the North East Cambridge development, which is proposed to include around 8,000 new homes and new commercial buildings

The 425 homes it mentiones for Cambridge were announced in April

So the 425 homes are a drop in the bucket compared with the sewage works site.

 

[Snow1964]

Looks like a tender by Homes England for upto £950m has been issued for the Forth yards site (near Newcastle upon Tyne station), construction upto 10 years through to 2036

This was one of the sites listed in the 40,000 homes Network Rail sites in post #571 and potentially 5000 homes.

Description​

The Forth Yards area of Newcastle represents a strategic place making opportunity in what is the last major underdeveloped water frontage area of the City. It is located adjacent to Newcastle Central Station and represents a western gateway into the City Centre.
Forth Yards is a 21-hectare (51.9 acres) regeneration site (shown edged red on the attached plan), with the potential to create a new neighbourhood of c.2,500 new homes and over 15,000 sqm (161,500 sq ft) of commercial space.The redevelopment of Forth Yards is a key priority within the North East Devolution Deal and in the North East Strategic Place Partnership.
Network Rail own Forth Goods Yards and Homes England acquired the strategically important Quayside West site, at the heart of Forth Yards, in 2024 (see attached land ownership plan). The immediate opportunity for the delivery partner relates to the Quayside West site (circa 1,100 homes) but with the opportunity to increase this through additional acquisitions to circa 2,500 homes.

Forth Yards, Newcastle Upon Tyne - Long Term Delivery Partner [PIN]

The Forth Yards area of Newcastle represents a strategic place making opportunity in what is the las... A Prior Information Notice by Homes England. Value £0-£950M.

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