Pathing issues relating to the use of 75mph stock due to late delivery of 195s. Now the 195s have arrived I suspect this will get fixed at the next timetable change.
It's all about keeping out of the way of Pendo's and 350s.
The through services on/off the Windermere Branch are timed using a 90mph/class158 timing profile as 195s were going to be gradually introduced during the course of the current timetable but the through services are also timed at 90mph/class158 for the Dec2019 timetable as well. So it'll be May2020 at the earliest before the 195s 100mph capability can be exploited.
So the missing out of Lancaster and or the pathing stops (at various locations) will continue for the foreseeable.
The first part of what @Bletchleyite said is correct. But, it is being re-instated from the May 2020 timetable change.
There's a good connection for Windermere at Lancaster off the 0453 ex-Barrow, if you were to be up that early. Other than that the best option is changing at Preston, which is another forty minutes travelling, but I can't see that changing twice would ever help. Ex-Leeds, yes, you would have to change twice.Does anyone know the reason why most Manchester-Windermere trains miss out Lancaster ?
It means you can't get from Barrow or Leeds to Windermere without changing twice.
yes, or via Manchester https://www.fastjp.com/#journeys?orig=LDS&dest=WDM&odate=20200408&otime=1100&maxres=9&maxch=5Presume from Leeds and Bradford you can take the Calder Valley train and change at Preston for Windermere/
Does anyone know the reason why most Manchester-Windermere trains miss out Lancaster ?
It means you can't get from Barrow or Leeds to Windermere without changing twice.
Yes, this was mentioned in the other thread:I'm baffled here - I caught the 13:45 from Lancaster to Manchester Oxford Road on the 30/09/19 ...
I'd imagine they will have been able to slot calls at Lancaster into some paths but not others; it'll depend on what other services are running around that time; don't forget there are freight trains to fit in as well as passenger trains.There's one around 12pm from Preston that does stop ...
I'm baffled here - I caught the 13:45 from Lancaster to Manchester Oxford Road on the 30/09/19 and it was a 195. I'm guessing this was a 156 before then.
I'm baffled here - I caught the 13:45 from Lancaster to Manchester Oxford Road on the 30/09/19 and it was a 195. I'm guessing this was a 156 before then.
However I'm assuming this was one of a few paths available for the 195's?
Does anyone know the reason why most Manchester-Windermere trains miss out Lancaster ?
It means you can't get from Barrow or Leeds to Windermere without changing twice.
There's a good connection for Windermere at Lancaster off the 0453 ex-Barrow, if you were to be up that early. Other than that the best option is changing at Preston, which is another forty minutes travelling, but I can't see that changing twice would ever help.
You're right, of course. Contrary to what I said in post #6, above, there's never any time benefit in changing at Preston. I'd overlooked the Oxenholme - Windermere shorts.It can be done, though it is quicker to change twice https://www.fastjp.com/#journeys?orig=BIF&dest=WDM&odate=20200408&otime=1400&maxres=9&maxch=5
Just had a quick look between 0600 and 2000 over 20 trains from Manchester stop at Lancaster.Isn't there a significant student flow between Manchester and Lancaster too?
Rolling stock with a top speed of 100miles/hour, which had worked these services for more than a decade,It was because of pathing issues because 90mph units were being used. However, now it has gone over to 195s I don't see why the stop can't be reinstated.
In the current working timetable there appear to be 27 services one way and 30 the other, on weekdays, and a further 4 which do not call.Isn't there a significant student flow between Manchester and Lancaster too?
At least according to NRE you can do Leeds to Windemere with one change at preston.Leeds to Windermere without changing twice.
You can, but it will generally be quicker to change in Manchester.At least according to NRE you can do Leeds to Windemere with one change at preston.
See https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/skipping-lancaster.199628/#post-4419814At least according to NRE you can do Leeds to Windemere with one change at preston.