Sutton to Dorking - what is the rolling stock?

[Clarel]

Hi
Does anyone know if there are any 'old' style trains (with windows that you can open) that go from Sutton to Dorking around mid-morning time and returning in the evening? My partner won't get on a new train as he feels claustrophobic.
Much appreciated if you can help.
Thanks
Clare

 

[A-driver]

Should be 455s on that route along with 377s.

 

[Clarel]

Thank you. Do you know what time the 455s are used?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

These will be squarer trains with ugly fronts without a front-end corridor connection if your partner doesn't know his rolling stock. And the number on the front will start with "58" instead of "377"
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Thank you. Do you know what time the 455s are used?

I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can tell you specific services but be warned that stock can be changed around at any time at short notice - therefore the stock may not be the "booked stock"

 

[Clarel]

Thank you for your help.

 

[tsr]

Clarel, if it's of any help to your partner, the newer Class 377 trains used by Southern on the Dorking route do have hopper windows which can be manually opened by staff in the event of an incident such as air conditioning failure or power supply issues. Actions to be taken are within Southern's standard Hot Weather Policy & Procedure, which is now part of compulsory practical training for all conductors (they may be onboard the trains on this line even if they are not dispatching them from each station, as Horsham-Dorking trains require conductors South of Dorking and very often carry them further North) and knowledge of which is required to be understood by drivers.

(The reason you cannot open them as a passenger is that this might play havoc with the air conditioning, and may also void component warranties as a result.)

These will be squarer trains with ugly fronts without a front-end corridor connection if your partner doesn't know his rolling stock. And the number on the front will start with "58" instead of "377"

This may be pedantic, but Southern 455 stock will be numbered "455 xyz", for clarity.

 

[A-driver]

Clarel, if it's of any help to your partner, the newer Class 377 trains used by Southern on the Dorking route do have hopper windows which can be manually opened by staff in the event of an incident such as air conditioning failure or power supply issues. Actions to be taken are within Southern's standard Hot Weather Policy & Procedure, which is now part of compulsory practical training for all conductors (they may be onboard the trains on this line even if they are not dispatching them from each station, as Horsham-Dorking trains require conductors South of Dorking and very often carry them further North) and knowledge of which is required to be understood by drivers.

(The reason you cannot open them as a passenger is that this might play havoc with the air conditioning, and may also void component warranties as a result.)



This may be pedantic, but Southern 455 stock will be numbered "455 xyz", for clarity.

Yes, but they won't open the 377 hopper windows just because a passenger feels claustrophobic.

 

[bigdelboy]

If its of any help the SWT from epsom to Dorking are likely to be 455's with hopper windows. So a change an epsom may help your cause. I haven't been that way for a while so I can't really say for certain. If you do that don't get a southern only ticket.

 

[5920]

If its of any help the SWT from epsom to Dorking are likely to be 455's with hopper windows. So a change an epsom may help your cause. I haven't been that way for a while so I can't really say for certain. If you do that don't get a southern only ticket.

At the moment there is a Desiro diagram running to Dorking covering 455s, it tends to be the same trains. There aren't many runs but the 1124 off Waterloo is one of them. In the main though it's 455s and 456s

 

[Clarel]

Thank you so much everyone for taking the time to respond to my thread, I really appreciate it. Best wishes Clare

 

[bigdelboy]

Probably doesn't helpyou much, but the following occurs to me:

The SWT 450 desiro seem to me to be much more roomy than a Class 377.

In both class 377, 450 and 444 the space near the wheelchair accessible area will probably feel the roomiest with a large space. These will be in the center of the train; marked on the outside with a wheelchair.

On an SWT class 455 the wide wheelchair accessible space are in the end coaches of the unit

( I cant for the life of me recall the 'roomiest' area in a southern 455 ).

 

[John1975]

Here are the direct services which are booked to be class 455.
This can, of course, change.

Sutton to Dorking (Mon-Fri)
=================
08.23 4/455
13.31 4/455
16.49 4/455
17.20 4/455
18.33 8/455
18.36 8/455
19.04 8/455
19.21 8/455
20.51 4/455

Dorking to Sutton (Mon-Fri)
=================
09.31 4/455
15.26 4/455
18.26 4/455
18.55 4/455
19.10 8/455
19.37 8/455
19.57 8/455
21.30 4/455

There aren't many suitable services that your partner can use mid-morning, so here are the trains from Sutton which are booked to be class 455, but terminate at Epsom where you can change for South West Trains class 455 services to Dorking.

Sutton to Epsom (Mon-Fri)
================
07.59 8/455
09.03 8/455 : arrives 09.13 then SWT 09.28 to Dorking 8/455
10.19 4/455 : arrives 10.29 then SWT 10.58 to Dorking 8/455
13.40 4/455
14.49 4/455
15.19 4/455
15.40 4/455
19.33 8/455
20.40 4/455
21.07 8/455
21.37 8/455
21.57 4/455
23.06 4/455
23.45 4/455

 

[Clarel]

This is extraordinarily kind of you John, thank you very much indeed.
Best wishes Clare