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Atlantean114

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Because of an out of order ticket machine at the station, I tried to purchase a GM Wayfarer from the train conductor this morning. Information I found on the web led me to believe this is possible. The conductor told me he could sell me one but I needed a smart card. Is he not able to sell me a paper version of the ticket?
 
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Tetchytyke

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He’s probably getting confused with the Merseytravel Saveaway (although I thought that was sold on paper by all Northern retail, not just the TVM/ticket office). The Wayfarer doesn’t come on a smart card.
 

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It can indeed be done. I was once sent on my merry way with a single to Grindleford and told to ask the TPE conductor for one several years ago when Sheffield ticket office decided they didn't want to issue it. He was only too happy to oblige.
 

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It can indeed be done. I was once sent on my merry way with a single to Grindleford and told to ask the TPE conductor for one several years ago when Sheffield ticket office decided they didn't want to issue it. He was only too happy to oblige.
Indeed this has happened to me at Sheffield Ticket Office as well, bought a ticket to Grindleford and asked for a TfGM Wayfarer and the clerk at the ticket office told me to buy the Wayfarer from the guard on the train….!

Is it any wonder ticket offices face closure/reduced opening hours!

Perhaps the clerk who was probably about 60 was hoping to be made redundant with a large severance payment!
 

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Indeed this has happened to me at Sheffield Ticket Office as well, bought a ticket to Grindleford and asked for a TfGM Wayfarer and the clerk at the ticket office told me to buy the Wayfarer from the guard on the train….!

Is it any wonder ticket offices face closure/reduced opening hours!

Perhaps the clerk who was probably about 60 was hoping to be made redundant with a large severance payment!
I don't think this sort of thing in any way explains the desire to cut ticket offices or hours of operation. But it certainly serves to alienate people ticket office staff would be well advised to keep onside, thereby making it easier for those who want to cut costs to do so.

It baffles me that some ticket office clerks only seem to want to sell tickets that people could have bought online. If I were in their position I'd be keeping a log of all the tickets I'd sold that couldn't have been bought online (Rovers, Rangers, PlusBuses, excesses).

Recent improvements in the availability of Rovers and Rangers at TVMs are a jolly good thing, of course, but the OP's story does show that even where that has been done, relying solely on TVMs is problematic when so many stations only have one TVM. There's no resilience, there. And if the guards are supposed to be the failsafe to ensure people can still get tickets when TVMs are out of service, they need to be able to sell the full range of tickets. So, are we saying we think the guard in this case just didn't know how to issue the ticket requested by the OP?

Because of an out of order ticket machine at the station, I tried to purchase a GM Wayfarer from the train conductor this morning. Information I found on the web led me to believe this is possible. The conductor told me he could sell me one but I needed a smart card. Is he not able to sell me a paper version of the ticket?

How was the situation resolved? Did the guard just leave you to buy the Wayfarer at the next opportunity, or did he want you to buy another ticket?
 

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How was the situation resolved? Did the guard just leave you to buy the Wayfarer at the next opportunity, or did he want you to buy another ticket?
We ended up buying a Duo return to Manchester and then getting a GM Rail Ranger. It covered what we needed for the day but cost me more than was necessary had he just sold me the Wayfarer! I spoke to another Northern guard later in the day who confirmed that he should indeed have been able to sell me the ticket on the train.
 

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As someone who rarely uses these machines how difficult would purchasing a Derbyshire Wayfarer concession for a future date be?
 

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As someone who rarely uses these machines how difficult would purchasing a Derbyshire Wayfarer concession for a future date be?
I don’t believe the Northern machines do Rovers for future dates, on the day only.
 

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As someone who rarely uses these machines how difficult would purchasing a Derbyshire Wayfarer concession for a future date be?
The last time I looked I couldn’t find an option to buy a CONCESSIONARY’ Derbyshire Wayfarer.

This may have been rectified by now?
 

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We ended up buying a Duo return to Manchester and then getting a GM Rail Ranger. It covered what we needed for the day but cost me more than was necessary had he just sold me the Wayfarer! I spoke to another Northern guard later in the day who confirmed that he should indeed have been able to sell me the ticket on the train.
How unsatisfactory!
 

janb

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The last time I looked I couldn’t find an option to buy a CONCESSIONARY’ Derbyshire Wayfarer.

It would appear looking at the data the way to issue is using DWF (Derbyshire Wayfarer) as a railcard discount (see here at brfares https://www.brfares.com/!rovers?nlc=G400&rlc=DWF&period=20250102), at least thats what I'd do if someone asked in the ticket office but that isn't set up as a railcard option in the TVMs. Using Senior Railcard produces the correct price but is not something I would do given the entitlement is based on possession of ENCTS not a senior railcard.
 

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A major problem with the GM Rail ranger is that it is not valid during the evening peak.(16:01-18-29 M-F)
Agreed, and so when looking at the prices:
- £8.60 for rail (off-peak)
- £9.70 for rail (off-peak) and bus (all-day)
makes the latter a much better value option on working days. You can use the bus during both AM and PM peak periods and then switch to trains when possible, for less than the cost of one bus single.

That evening peak restriction is a major PITA in general as it can mean there is a 3 or 4 hour gap in off-peak train services in the afternoon... horrible. Along with the gradual above-inflation (and above-regulation) increase in off-peak fares plus the abolition of the evening returns (which for some reason are still allowed to exist in other places, eg West Mids, SWR), has made off-peak rail travel in GM less and less attractive. I wonder if Bee Network/GM Rail will look at this again in the coming years.
 

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