TFL Hopper fare and break in journey?

[GodAtum]

Not trains but buses, hopefully this is in the correct forum.

With the Hopper fare, you cannot have a break in the journey. Say one takes a bus, train then bus, with both buses within an hour. Can one use 2 separate cards (one for bus and one for train), to get the hopper fare?

 

[mangyiscute]

I see no issue with doing this since ultimately you've paid for all of the travel that you are doing - if anyone comes to check tickets just remember to present the correct card

 

[JonathanH]

With the Hopper fare, you cannot have a break in the journey. Say one takes a bus, train then bus, with both buses within an hour.

My recollection, but I have never done it, is that train in the middle of two buses within an hour does not cancel the hopper fare. It was a change made subsequent to the initial implementation.

 

[NeilWatson]

From www.tfl.gov.uk

If you travel on Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line, Emirates Air Line or River Bus services in between Hopper journeys, you'll be charged a standard fare. The Hopper fare will still apply to any further bus and tram journeys made within one hour of first touching in.

 

[JonathanH]

Yes, that doesn't mention train journeys on the National Rail scale but would there really be an exception?

 

[elaine66]

I do a bus-tube-bus journey regularly, using the same Oyster card for all, and as long as it all fits within the hour, I'm not charged for the second bus. Saves me a princely 10p for the day's journeys compared to the daily cap!

 

[mangyiscute]

Yes, that doesn't mention train journeys on the National Rail scale but would there really be an exception?

I don't think there could be since some journeys such as Ealing to Hayes & Harlington could be Elizabeth line or National Rail so if it works on Elizabeth line it must work on NR too

 

[[.n]]

From www.tfl.gov.uk

If you travel on Tube, DLR, London Overground, Elizabeth line, Emirates Air Line or River Bus services in between Hopper journeys, you'll be charged a standard fare. The Hopper fare will still apply to any further bus and tram journeys made within one hour of first touching in.

I read that as:
Take bus - get charged £1.65, then take (e.g. tube) get charged whatever the appropriate fare is for that journey, and IF you then take a bus/tram still within the 62 minutes allowed from starting the first original bus journey, then you will be charged an additional £0.00


I've certainly done lots of times recently, e.g. Bus to Victoria (£1.65). Train to East Croydon (£something). Another bus from East Croydon (within the hour) that bus £0.00, and in fact another bus still squeezed in within the hour £0.00!

Not trains but buses, hopefully this is in the correct forum.

With the Hopper fare, you cannot have a break in the journey. Say one takes a bus, train then bus, with both buses within an hour. Can one use 2 separate cards (one for bus and one for train), to get the hopper fare?

So IME no need to mess around with 2 cards, just use the same one (and then also potentially benefit from daily/weekly capping)

 

[GodAtum]

Thanks, I didn't realise they got rid of that requirement!

 

[MikeWh]

Thanks, I didn't realise they got rid of that requirement!

It was never intended to be a restriction. The Mayor came up with his election winning idea without realising how complex it was to impliment. The first iteration was an extension of the bus/tram joined up journey in New Addington. Allowing more than two buses and a potential train in the middle was achieved with the complete re-write.