Thameslink Services/Timetable from May 20th 2018

[Fred26]

Rearranging the depots seems to have been primarily about making Thameslink work, and not having driver changes in the middle of the network. It should probably have happened first, and well before the timetable changes commenced.

I suspect a future transfer to LO is one of the things it might enable, but that’s probably not number 1 on the list...

Well they'll have diagrams changing at Stevenage soon, so they will change in middle of the route.

 

[Fred26]

That all sounds rather inefficient!

Who does the Baldocks?

I don't know. My list isn't conclusive and I haven't seen anything official.

 

[hwl]

Well they'll have diagrams changing at Stevenage soon, so they will change in middle of the route.

Sounds potentially less worse than Finsbury for change overs especially if more non GN area TL drivers are now trained to Stevanage or beyond

 

[jopsuk]

Wait, did I read that right- that Hitchin drivers will only do Moorgate services? How does that make sense with Moorgate services not going that far north?

 

[jon0844]

Wait, did I read that right- that Hitchin drivers will only do Moorgate services? How does that make sense with Moorgate services not going that far north?

A lot of them are moving to WGC in November or December.

 

[swt_passenger]

Well they'll have diagrams changing at Stevenage soon, so they will change in middle of the route.

I was probably meaning Blackfriars as the middle of the route though. I think the aim is to seriously reduce changes there, but perhaps it’s already happened...

 

[jon0844]

387s and 700s self dispatch from today at Finsbury Park.

 

[Fred26]

I was probably meaning Blackfriars as the middle of the route though. I think the aim is to seriously reduce changes there, but perhaps it’s alread6 happened...

Yeah that makes sense.

 

[Fred26]

387s and 700s self dispatch from today at Finsbury Park.

Indeed, plus 387s everywhere else. 700s were already self dispatch at most stations.

 

[Aictos]

No, it isn't. Its an error with the CIS, it appears to have been applied to all services at weekends instead of only those which are 700s. However as it only says First Class is at the front, and doesn't specifically say the rear (or middle if 365) is declassified I wouldn't take your chances.

Indeed and as the GN twitter team confirmed earlier today, the only declassified 1st Class on their services is on the Class 700 fleet with the rear 1st Class in the direction of travel being declassified.

Class 365s do NOT have any declassified 1st Class on board in either direction see following tweet:

"Hi Alex - First Class is only declassified on the Class 700s. Class 365's wont have declassified 1st class I'm afraid." ^Sam

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054318826421186560

They confirm that the rear 1st Class on the Class 700 IS still declassified in the direction of travel see following tweet:

"Hello Alex, first class is only declassified at the rear on the new class 700 trains. On these trains there is only front and rear first class." ^Kim

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054314859913973761

IF a non Class 700 does turn up then regardless of what the information systems say, it DOESN'T have any declassified 1st class at all so if a Class 365 turned up for example then you would be charged a PF if you sat in 1st Class with a Standard Class ticket UNLESS it is stated otherwise that it is declassified for example due to disruption see following tweet:

"First class is only declassified at the rear on the class 700 units. Unless stated otherwise due to disruption etc." ^Kim

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054316191681036289

I hope that settles any discussion that there might be?

 

[jellybaby]

as the GN twitter team confirmed earlier today, the only declassified 1st Class on their services is on the Class 700 fleet with the rear 1st Class in the direction of travel being declassified

And the services operated by 700s which don't have first class in the timetable, eg the 1736 KGX-WGC.

But don't tell the Muggles that, leaves more space for me

 

[radamfi]

Indeed, plus 387s everywhere else. 700s were already self dispatch at most stations.

Where are 700s not self dispatch?

 

[tsr]

Where are 700s not self dispatch?

Major stations on the Brighton Mainline and one or two stations on the Sutton route.

 

[jon0844]

Where are 700s not self dispatch?

Welwyn Garden City.

 

[Fred26]

Where are 700s not self dispatch?

By 'were self-dispatch at most stations', I meant not Finsbury Park.

 

[Aictos]

By 'were self-dispatch at most stations', I meant not Finsbury Park.

Are the Class 700s especially the 700/1s self dispatch at Stevenage, Hitchin, Royston and stations to Huntingdon?

As I know the Class 365s and Class 321s had to been dispatched by dispatchers when running in 12 car formation, is this still the case with the 12 car 700s?

 

[Fred26]

Are the Class 700s especially the 700/1s self dispatch at Stevenage, Hitchin, Royston and stations to Huntingdon?

As I know the Class 365s and Class 321s had to been dispatched by dispatchers when running in 12 car formation, is this still the case with the 12 car 700s?

700s are self dispatch everywhere now. Have been for most stations for months. Finsbury Park and Stevenage used to dispatch everything. Now Finsbury Park has 313s and 365s, and Stevenage has those, plus LNER services.

 

[NorthKent1989]

+1 for the Kent side running beautifully.

The Catford route maybe but the Medway line is still 1tph and looks set to stay that way til December:

http://www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk...o-be-restored-on-woolwich-line-from-december/

Bare in mind the full 2tph service was supposed to have been restored by this September and we're now over halfway thru October..... -_-

 

[Aictos]

700s are self dispatch everywhere now. Have been for most stations for months. Finsbury Park and Stevenage used to dispatch everything. Now Finsbury Park has 313s and 365s, and Stevenage has those, plus LNER services.

Must be boring for all these who used to be dispatching regularly on the Peterborough line for example if they're only dispatching a handful of trains if that?

 

[jon0844]

700s are self dispatch everywhere now. Have been for most stations for months. Finsbury Park and Stevenage used to dispatch everything. Now Finsbury Park has 313s and 365s, and Stevenage has those, plus LNER services.

WGC still dispatches 700s from two platforms. Everything from those in fact.

 

[sefton]

Indeed and as the GN twitter team confirmed earlier today, the only declassified 1st Class on their services is on the Class 700 fleet with the rear 1st Class in the direction of travel being declassified.

Class 365s do NOT have any declassified 1st Class on board in either direction see following tweet:

"Hi Alex - First Class is only declassified on the Class 700s. Class 365's wont have declassified 1st class I'm afraid." ^Sam

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054318826421186560

They confirm that the rear 1st Class on the Class 700 IS still declassified in the direction of travel see following tweet:

"Hello Alex, first class is only declassified at the rear on the new class 700 trains. On these trains there is only front and rear first class." ^Kim

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054314859913973761

IF a non Class 700 does turn up then regardless of what the information systems say, it DOESN'T have any declassified 1st class at all so if a Class 365 turned up for example then you would be charged a PF if you sat in 1st Class with a Standard Class ticket UNLESS it is stated otherwise that it is declassified for example due to disruption see following tweet:

"First class is only declassified at the rear on the class 700 units. Unless stated otherwise due to disruption etc." ^Kim

https://twitter.com/GNRailUK/status/1054316191681036289

I hope that settles any discussion that there might be?

Presumably the Twitter team have informed the team that is responsible for the station information boards and announcements so they can give their customers the correct information. Or should we not hold our breath?

 

[ijmad]

The Catford route maybe

Maybe not: the Catford Loop (and Shorlands, Bromley South and Bickley) were supposed to have 4tph all day and is currently barely managing 2tph.

They're trying the 4tph again in December but who knows when any further planned changes will now take place. Sevenoaks trains are supposed to run through to Welwyn in May 2019 and the Cambridge to Ashford International service is supposed to start in December 2019 giving 4ph all day to Swanley, Shoreham, Eynsford and Otford further along that route.

 

[Aictos]

Presumably the Twitter team have informed the team that is responsible for the station information boards and announcements so they can give their customers the correct information. Or should we not hold our breath?

I doubt it but that's from the horse's mouth so to speak!

 

[Failed Unit]

They haven’t got enough drivers to run into Moorgate after 2000 this evening. Good old GTR. Normal service resumes.

 

[sefton]

Presumably the Twitter team have informed the team that is responsible for the station information boards and announcements so they can give their customers the correct information. Or should we not hold our breath?

I doubt it but that's from the horse's mouth so to speak!

You have more faith in the GTR Twitter team than I do. Whenever I look all I see is the result of them using their special keyboard.

 

[radamfi]

Why is there still a bus from Horsham to Three Bridges at 2035 each weekday?

 

[Failed Unit]

Definitely more typical service tonight.

Trains at Finsbury Park with no drivers.
Skip stopping (despite it rarely saving time)
Trains stuck behind trains with no drivers because GTR control don’t let the signallers know (2021 kx - Cambridge)
No mention on Twitter.

How many weeks until December?

 

[bramling]

Definitely more typical service tonight.

Trains at Finsbury Park with no drivers.
Skip stopping (despite it rarely saving time)
Trains stuck behind trains with no drivers because GTR control don’t let the signallers know (2021 kx - Cambridge)
No mention on Twitter.

How many weeks until December?

Job seems screwed tonight, not totally clear what problem is. My first-choice service cancelled both ways today. Or maybe it’s a figment of the imagination and everything is lovely!

Edit: could be 1E23 stuck on UF near New Southgate. Everything seems to be running slow lines round it, both up and down, so perhaps a block on fast lines to allow train to be examined?

 

[Failed Unit]

Job seems screwed tonight, not totally clear what problem is. My first-choice service cancelled both ways today. Or maybe it’s a figment of the imagination and everything is lovely!

Edit: could be 1E23 stuck on UF near New Southgate. Everything seems to be running slow lines round it, both up and down, so perhaps a block on fast lines to allow train to be examined?

That is what GTR are telling passengers- but it is more a convenient way of deflecting the truth that they are incompetent.

The 1855 Horsham - Peterborough got to Finsbury Park and had no driver to go north.
The 2021 kings cross - Cambridge was put behind it but could go nowhere (it reversed in the end to access platform 5)

The brown stuff was on the fan before the LNER broke down.

The inners have suffered all evening not recovering from a trespasser.

Blaming the failed set as it is another operators is good for GTR. But the service was already heavily disrupted.

 

[bramling]

That is what GTR are telling passengers- but it is more a convenient way of deflecting the truth that they are incompetent.

The 1855 Horsham - Peterborough got to Finsbury Park and had no driver to go north.
The 2021 kings cross - Cambridge was put behind it but could go nowhere (it reversed in the end to access platform 5)

The brown stuff was on the fan before the LNER broke down.

The inners have suffered all evening not recovering from a trespasser.

Blaming the failed set as it is another operators is good for GTR. But the service was already heavily disrupted.

GTR do seem good at blaming others when any such opportunity presents itself. If one listened to them the whole shambles is the fault of anyone else but them.

Having said that I still largely blame the DFT for the FailPlan shambles. GTR’s incompetence is just supplementary to DFT’s.

Looks like 1E23 is now having a Thunderbird attached to the front.

The 1E23 failure certainly doesn’t explain the various GTR cancellations today, as you rightly say.

Half-term week perchance?!