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The State Of Rail Travel In Lincolnshire

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Well where to start :cry:

Investment has not reached parts of Lincolnshire as many lines are up for the title of " God's forgotten railway "

Would love to know your views on the following

Sheffield Midland - Cleethorpes via Gainsborough Central ( Saturday Only Service )
Sheffield Midland - Lincoln ( Sunday Service Starts At 2pm, Due To Network Rail Closing The Line )

Doncaster-Lincoln-Peterborough ( No Sunday or Late Night Services )

Grantham - Sleaford - Boston - Skegness

Barton On Humber - Cleethorpes
 
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I understood the Joint Line (Doncaster - Lincoln - Sleaford - Spalding) was being progressively upgraded to accommodate additional freight flows....and East coast diversions.

Its a long term project though !!
 

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I know what you're saying. Lincolnshire and the East seem to needs cash to upgrade stations and fleets of trains. Notts to Skeg is awful 2 carriage trains in summer overcrowded (especially on Saturdays where the 2 HST are fine but what about the other hourly services in despearate need of carriages. The services seem to stop after 1900 so no one can get AROUND which is poor.How do they expect us to use trains. The government needs to make franchises incest in stock rather than them handing out the stock!! I mean we will never change overcrowding the way it is going. The tracks around lincs are pretty slow and bumpy (especially on the Skeg line)
 

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How do they expect us to use trains. The government needs to make franchises incest in stock rather than them handing out the stock!!

That would be rather illegal and disgusting ;)

In all seriousness, investment in rolling stock is needed across the North as well as Lincolnshire. Perhaps franchise lengthening would allow companies to invest in rolling stock and other aspects of the rail service. Look at Chiltern as a model example of this.
 

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problem with lincolnshire is that so many of the lines have been shut, what's left is a withered network of lines, leaving the vast majority relying on car transport to get around. Pre-beeching it was possible to get from Boston, Skegness, Horncastle and Louth into lincoln by train, in a competitive time with the car.

The latter two have now last all services, and for the two former you have to go to Sleaford and chance for the Peterborough-Lincoln service. Basically, lincolnshire needs a spate of reopenings to old lines, and some serious investment in new stock. Big changes could be affected by reopening

Spalding-Boston: could be rebuilt alongisde the current road (or just shift the road 20 yards to the east) and would give Skegness & Boston a tie-in to the ECML at Peterborough, making accessing East Lincolnshire much easier.

Grantham-Lincoln: Would give a secondary route for Lincoln-London and Nottingham-Lincoln trains, as well as linking south west and mid lincolnshire.

Lincoln-Woodhall Junc.-Boston: opens up journeys to the regional capital against poor, slow and indirect roads

Lincoln-Woodhall Junc.-Skegness: See above

Woodhall Junc-Woodhall-Horncastle-Louth: Gives Louth, Horncastle & Woodhall Spa a link into Lincoln, as well as between each other.

Firsby Junc-Alford-Louth-Grimsby: would link Skegness & Boston to the north of the county, giving the possibility of through journeys from south Lincs & Cambs.

March-Spaldind: Would allow freight coming from Felixstowe to be kept off the ECML until Doncaster, and would reduce congestion at peterborough as well as opening up journey opportunities between Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk.

IMO the services the county recieves need to be much improved. Peterborough-Lincoln needs to run hourly, with a sprinter or similar stock, while Skegness-Nottingham needs to be run alternately as half hourly, with a stopper and 'fast' service, calling only at Wainfleet, Boston, Heckington, Sleaford & Grantham. Grantham also ought to have a n hourly shuttle into Nottingham.

In the north, Cleethorpes and Lincoln both ought to have an hourly service to Leeds & Sheffield, to provide interchange opportunities at Sheffield and Doncaster, as well as journeys into West Yorkshire. Barton on Humber ought to have a half-hourly shuttle service to Cleethorpes, and an hourly service to Lincoln.
 

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Lincolnshire’s major problem was a combination of cutbacks and Central Trains how ran the service for operational convenience rather than provide a service the passengers wanted to use.

BR killed of before privatisation the direct service to London, you can sort of understand why it was never as well used as Hull or Inverness (the other places that get one train per day). BR also killed off most trains after 8pm. The drawing up of the Franchise map wasn't kind either, a lots of trains stabled in the Cleethorpes area now they must return to Lincoln empty. so the 0556 runs ECS, and the 0700 Grimsby - Newark runs in service at a time when no-one wants to travel. Under BR it would have been the units first run of the day and it would have got to Cleethorpes by running a later service in the evening. Before privatisation there was a service at 21:15 & 22:20, the stock stayed at Cleethorpes to run early morning services. The 21:15 was very well used but now the cost base must include the ECS to Lincoln. Cleethorpes - Sheffield was virtually killed at the same time, but it could see many more passengers with decent connections at Retford for the ECML.

In the early 1990's the 153 was introduced and resulted in serious overcrowding on the Grimsby - Newark and Lincoln - Nottingham routes, how did BR tackle that problem, make the service less desirable and encourage people from Grimsby - Nottingham / Birmingham to travel via Birmingham. The legacy of the 153 is still a lot of overcrowding.

Looking at each line in order.
Lincoln - Sheffield
This line has in fact improved in terms of frequency, it was only every other hour under BR. But it is very slow at 90 minutes between the two towns stopping at many local stations between Worksop and Sheffield. Pacers don't help either. To be honest however I can't see how apart from getting rid of the pacers how this line can be improved much. I don't think it will ever be justified to run Lincoln, Saxilby, Gainsborough, Retford, Worksop, Sheffield. But maybe if the service was sped up more passengers would use it.

Lincoln - Doncaster.
This is a line where you think why do they bother? 5 trains per day and 2 of them after 6pm. Want to get to Doncaster before 10am for work maybe? forget it. Likewise the first arrival at Lincoln after 11am not much good for people wanting to use it for a business meeting. Some of the connections are dreadful, take for example the connection of the 13:55 Aberdeen - London service, arrives at Doncaster at 2028, unit leaves for Lincoln at 2033, Doncaster is a 7 minute connection, at that time of night would it really make much difference in terms of staffing and network congestions to depart at 2038? I doubt it but it would make it a more useful connection. Leeds services are better for connection but that is more due to the improvements in frequency on the mainline. BR used to run the line all day. An earlier start would be a big plus for this line and improving the connections to Scotland. The problem here is the 153 used to operate the service is needed for peak hour strengthening of the Sleaford line! A lot less service run though to Peterborough than under BR denying Sleaford and Spalding connections north and Gainsborough connections South.

Peterborough - Lincoln
This line is OK off peak but again with the single shift between Sleaford and Spalding totally useless for commuting or travel to London! Hopefully once the upgrade is done this line will be able to run for longer but you can't get to Peterborough from Lincoln before 930 currently and must leave at 1620, going the other way you can't arrive in Lincoln before 1000 and the last train is 1600. Passengers from Methringham and Ruskington would love to be able to use the train to get to London for a day trip with one change at Peterborough but they can't. Running Lincoln - Peterborough all day would make no difference to staff or rolling stock of the TOC as Lincoln - Sleaford and Spalding - Peterborough does run most of the day.

Lincoln - Nottingham.
The government has ruined this line by forcing CT to stop running to Birmingham in order to fudge the PPM's the flow was very strong it is more important to have a 90% PPM then run trains to where passengers want to go. Not it is a very slow Lincoln - Leicester service stopping at places like Syston which very few people from Lincolnshire wants to visit, certainly a lot less than the places we have lost. To make matters worse trains from Birmingham still run late so you miss connections so the average journey time has increased. Even between Lincoln and Nottingham the service is too slow with most trains stopping at every stations upto EMT taking over. Less stop at small places now BUT the service was not sped up. It still takes about 1 hour, the A46 is getting duelled so more people will be hitting the road once it is complete unless this route is improved. In the perfect world give it to XC and run it Birmingham - Derby - Nottingham - Lincoln calling at Newark Castle only. Serve the local stations with a 153 shuttle even if this is only between Newark and Nottingham to avoid the flat crossing. I recall an article in Modern Railways saying this could be done with the same resources as now even if the shuttle ran all the way to Nottingham.

Grimsby - Newark.
Main problem here is frequency, some of the connections at Newark are poor but some are also very good. If you living in Market Rasen an work in Lincoln you can arrive at Lincoln at either 0800 or 1024, hardly going to get people out the car, going home it 1500, 1718 & 1950 so really on the 1718 any use for most people. Connections onward to Nottingham are not good at times and commuting to Grimsby is not the best. Hopefully when the East Coasts Lincoln - London service is introduce the Grimsby - Newark will be change to Grimsby - Nottingham with a good connection for London at Lincoln. If every service connected well that would be a drastic improvement on what exists now. The 153's often can't cope either.

Skegness - Nottingham.
The frequency is OK, the speed is low but so are the competing roads, it suffers in the summer from lack of carriages on the trains. The main improvement here would be to improve connections at Sleaford for Lincoln and Peterborough. I am sure returning it as a direct service to Derby would also be welcomes.

A lot of improvements can be made in Lincolnshire just by making sure the connections work, the trains run at useful times. However it is a double edge sword, if passengers numbers increase the overcrowding to the 153's would be awful so in some ways it is not in the operators interest to encourage people to use the services.

Once the Lincoln - Peterborough upgrade is complete maybe it would be worth running the Lincoln - London service this way. It could do London, Peterborough, Spalding, Sleaford and Lincoln. I am sure Spalding would gain a lot out of this, but Sleaford could be used to provide a faster overall service than going via Grantham. It is 56 miles between Lincoln and Peterborough once the joint line is upgraded to 75mph running it should be possible to do this journey in about 1 hour, via Newark it will take about 55 minutes. So via Spalding it will be slightly slower but the benefit to Sleaford and Spalding will outwiegh the longer journey time to Lincoln. on the ECML Grantham will still have lots of choice with HT and NXEC. Newark may lose out a little but the solution is simple, let Grand Central stop there!
 

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Perhaps the Skegness-Nottingham train could run through via Derby to Matlock (which now starts at Nottingham).
This would make some east-west connections much easier, as then you can have through trains from Matlock & Derby to Grantham for ECML connections. Currently you have to change at Nottingham & the services do not connect well (30-40 min wait at Nottingham)
 

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This thread reminds me what a transformation ATW made to their rural network by bringing in clockface times with good connections for longer distance services - it's a shame Lincolnshire doesn't have the same political clout.

I think there's a lot of constraints here - the flat crossing at Newark, the lack of platforms at Peterborough, the lack of paths into Sheffield Midland from the Darnall line, the lack of paths on the ECML for "local" services to be added etc.

However, there's lots of simple improvements that could be made. For example, the Nottingham - Worksop services could tie into the Sheffield - Worksop - Lincoln/ Grimsby services better.
 

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This thread reminds me what a transformation ATW made to their rural network by bringing in clockface times with good connections for longer distance services - it's a shame Lincolnshire doesn't have the same political clout.

I think there's a lot of constraints here - the flat crossing at Newark, the lack of platforms at Peterborough, the lack of paths into Sheffield Midland from the Darnall line, the lack of paths on the ECML for "local" services to be added etc.

However, there's lots of simple improvements that could be made. For example, the Nottingham - Worksop services could tie into the Sheffield - Worksop - Lincoln/ Grimsby services better.

Hopefully this will be easier to do when the regular interval timetable happens on the ECML. A lot of the issues for planners is that now at Peterborough, Grantham and Newark the calls are all over the place. There is also a lot of wastage that could be cut out, at Newark NorthGate a couple of trains are sat for nearly 1 hour!
 

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I agree on most points that they would be improvements. However, I can't see any new lines ever being built, but below are my suggestions for improvements to the existing services:
Grimsby-Lincoln-Newark-Nottingham
Provide an hourly train service on the Cleethorpes-Lincoln section, continuing to either Newark NG or Birmingham. In addition, run an hourly Lincoln-Nottingham all station service, and an hourly Lincoln-Newark NG/Brimingham, dependent on destination of the Cleethorpes service. Birmingham train to run as semi-fast. In terms of infrastructure, ideally build the flyover at Newark.

Nottingham-Skegness
Again, provide 2 trains an hour, with one being all stations and one calling at Sleaford, Heckington, Boston and Wainfleet. Having one all shacks via Grantham each hour may also help relieve overcrowding on Liverpool-Norwich services.

Doncaster-Lincoln-Peterborough
It is pleasing to see this line being upgraded to take freight off the ECML. I would be tempted to go one stage further and electrify this line at some stage in order to allow some ECML passenger services to be diverted during engineering works without taking diesel sets off the likes of the Skipton and Hull services. This would be a very long term target though.
In terms of services, I would like to see an hourly service on this line, providing Lincoln with decent links north and Sleaford and Splading with decent links south.

Cleethorpes-Sheffield
This line is now open 7 days a week fro freight. I don't know how many paths at present would be available for passenger traffic, but redoubling Wrawby Jn-Gainsborough would create extra paths at relatively low cost. Running a service on this line would also relieve Lincoln-Sheffield services west of Gainsborough.

Cleethorpes-Manchester
The service on this line is sufficient, but at peak times do get overcrowded, particualarly west of Doncaster. Overcrowding also occurs into Cleethorpes on summer weekends. The trouble is that platforms are not long enough to take 6 car 185s, not that there are any going spare. The proposed 4th cars would have been a help.

The trouble on most lines in Lincolnshire has been that services have steadily been cut back, a fares steadily increased in order to surpress demand. As in most parts of the country, I am sure that providing a decent service would encourage a lot more people to use the rail network.
 

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I agree on most points that they would be improvements. However, I can't see any new lines ever being built, but below are my suggestions for improvements to the existing services:
Grimsby-Lincoln-Newark-Nottingham
Provide an hourly train service on the Cleethorpes-Lincoln section, continuing to either Newark NG or Birmingham. In addition, run an hourly Lincoln-Nottingham all station service, and an hourly Lincoln-Newark NG/Brimingham, dependent on destination of the Cleethorpes service. Birmingham train to run as semi-fast. In terms of infrastructure, ideally build the flyover at Newark.

When the new timetable comes in on the ECML I understand we will only have 2 paths per hour over the flat crossing in each direction. Not sure how many freights are routed that way (and more to the point are needed to be routed that way)

Thinking of frieght alone it can only of some from 2 directions:

Immingham (where I guess it can be routed via Brigg & Worksop if its ultimate destination is the midlands)
Peterborough (unlikely, but if it has come off the sleaford line and heading to Nottingham I would wonder why it isn't been routed via Grantham)

So I am not sure if you could quite easily remove all frieght from the flat crossing.

With the new Lincoln - London service running (soon) I don't see why any Cleethorpes servces need to run to Newark North Gate, you can change at Lincoln anyway. Lincoln - Newark could turn into an all stations shuttle service.

This would provide the Cleethorpes - Lincoln - Nottingham fast as you have suggested.

Lincoln - Newark - Nottingham all stations only really needs to be every 2 hours off peak, but hourly peak.

Maybe run Skegness - Sleaford - Lincoln to speed up the Nottingham service by transfering stops. The single track sections are challenging on this route as well.

Lincolnshire sorted if only it was that easy :lol:
 

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The 313s have both West Anglia and Great Northern destinations ranging from Moorgate to Peterborough to Spalding to Royston to Tottenham Hale to my favourite Stansted Airport!

Would love to see the passenger faces on the next announced Stansted Express at Liverpool Street formed up of a 3 x 313s formation, <D

Can Stansted take any EMUs over 8 cars?

Anyway, if and it's a big IF the following lines are electrified:

Ely to Peterborough via March
March to Spalding (Former Joint Line where possible)
Peterborough to Doncaster via Spalding and Lincoln

Then a lot of the freight could avoid Peterborough and be electrically hauled up to Doncaster and open up possible diversion routes for electric stock such as the 91s, 317s and 365s.

Imagine EMT taking on some refurbished 317s to run services between Peterborough and Doncaster replacing the 156s in use at the moment which would more then double capacity of the route with the 317s being based at a depot in Peterborough.

I know the 317s are DOO at the moment but there's nothing stopping them being converted back to Non DOO - the 313s have the old guard panels behind the cabs but the cab needs to be on before they can be used which is okay if you work on the TL with a lot of drivers leaving keys in the back cab then wondering why you can't shut the doors or apply power :lol: unlike us pros on the GN!

I know mistakes happen but it seems to happen more on the TL then the GN.

Then the 156s could go to other routes which would need them.

Oh yeah and before any works gets done in the Lincoln area, a avoiding line MUST be reinstated which will see freights diverted around Lincoln rather then though Lincoln which must be a bottleneck with the amount of trains using the crossings there.
 
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I usually resist making a flippant posting, but this is one with a point; please forgive me.

"When the cranes go up in Lincoln you know the property boom is over." This is what the head of development for one of Lincolnshire's economic agencies told me four years ago. What he meant was that as the ripple of economic prosperity/boom travels out from London and the South East, by the time it reaches Lincoln a downturn is usually setting-in elsewhere.

He was only half-joking. I expect that the economic case for for major rail improvements never really makes it compelling enough to do anything significant. Or even focus on the very sensible suggestions above for just optimizing the timetables. I suspect the fact that Lincolnshire is nearly as big as the rest of the East Midlands put together, but with a low population density, further spoils the economic case. (Weren't the tracks were put down to move farm produce not people?)

Too much to do elsewhere. Too little time and money. Too few potential passengers.
 
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The service on this line is sufficient, but at peak times do get overcrowded, particualarly west of Doncaster. Overcrowding also occurs into Cleethorpes on summer weekends. The trouble is that platforms are not long enough to take 6 car 185s, not that there are any going spare. The proposed 4th cars would have been a help.

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That Network Rail have seen fit to close the line between Scuthorpe & Cleethorpes for pretty much the entire summer season shows the contempt for Lincolnshire that the DfT has.

Can you imagine what would happen if they closed the line between Preston & Blackpool for a summer?
 

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That Network Rail have seen fit to close the line between Scuthorpe & Cleethorpes for pretty much the entire summer season shows the contempt for Lincolnshire that the DfT has

Yeah, imagine spending millions improving the line - what a way to show contempt...

The sad truth is that the freight on the line (Immingham etc) is much more important than the two hourly trains from Doncaster and that doing it now fits better for freight needs. Never an easy time to close a line like this, but investment now should improve things for passengers all year round in future years
 

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Oh yeah and before any works gets done in the Lincoln area, a avoiding line MUST be reinstated which will see freights diverted around Lincoln rather then though Lincoln which must be a bottleneck with the amount of trains using the crossings there.

Stansted can take 12 cards,

As for the avoiding line, unfortunately this can never be replaced as it has been built on in many areas. If only they knew in the early 1980's that it would be needed.

I think March - Spalding would need a new alingment as it has also been built on in Spalding but at least it is more possible then the avoiding line which is definately gone for ever. I wonder how much bulding approx 20 miles of new track between March and Spalding would cost compared to grade seperating the Peterborough area? I guess if this was built it would only be the Norwich - Liverpool service which would be crossing on the flat here as ECML bound trains would use the joint line as well.
 
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However, there's lots of simple improvements that could be made. For example, the Nottingham - Worksop services could tie into the Sheffield - Worksop - Lincoln/ Grimsby services better.


I would also like to see the Nottingham - Worksop service extended to Cleethorpes during the summer timetable :D
 

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the thing about rail travel in lincolnshire is that, even with basic, and already planned improvements; and just a few extra services, a massive difference could be made e.g.

1tph Lincoln-LKX (FCC. all stations to Peterborough)
1tph Lincoln-Peterborough (EMT all stations to peterborough)
2tph Lincoln-Leeds (Northern. Saxilby, Gainsborough L Rd, Doncaster, Wakefield)
1tph Skegness-Nottingham (EMT. all stations)
1tph Skegness-Derby (EMT. Wainfleet, Boston, Heckington, Sleaford, Grantham, Nottingham, Beeston)
1tph Lincoln-Nottingham (EMT. All stations)
1tph Lincoln-Cardiff (AXC. Newark Castle, Nottingham & existing call pattern)
1tph Lincoln-Sheffield (EMT. Saxilby, Gainsborough, Retford, Worksop)
2tph Lincoln-Cleethorpes (EMT. all stations)
1tph Cleethorpes-Doncaster (Northern. All stations)
1tph Cleethorpes-Leeds (Northern. Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Wakefield)
1tph Cleethorpes-Sheffield (Northern. all stations to Retford, Worksop)
2tph Cleethorpes-Barton (Northern. all stations)
1tph Barton-Lincoln (EMT. all stations)
 

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That Network Rail have seen fit to close the line between Scuthorpe & Cleethorpes for pretty much the entire summer season shows the contempt for Lincolnshire that the DfT has.

Can you imagine what would happen if they closed the line between Preston & Blackpool for a summer?

I was under the impression that the line is closed between Scunthorpe and Doncaster for some badly needed major repairs to be carried out, and that the line between Scunthorpe and Cleethorpes was in fact open for freight to serve the steelworks, and rubbish from Manchester to reach Roxby :?

However, as a resident of Scunthorpe, I shall bow to your superior knowledge in this matter.
 

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the thing about rail travel in lincolnshire is that, even with basic, and already planned improvements; and just a few extra services, a massive difference could be made e.g.

1tph Lincoln-LKX (FCC. all stations to Peterborough)
1tph Lincoln-Peterborough (EMT all stations to peterborough)
2tph Lincoln-Leeds (Northern. Saxilby, Gainsborough L Rd, Doncaster, Wakefield)
1tph Skegness-Nottingham (EMT. all stations)
1tph Skegness-Derby (EMT. Wainfleet, Boston, Heckington, Sleaford, Grantham, Nottingham, Beeston)
1tph Lincoln-Nottingham (EMT. All stations)
1tph Lincoln-Cardiff (AXC. Newark Castle, Nottingham & existing call pattern)
1tph Lincoln-Sheffield (EMT. Saxilby, Gainsborough, Retford, Worksop)
2tph Lincoln-Cleethorpes (EMT. all stations)
1tph Cleethorpes-Doncaster (Northern. All stations)
1tph Cleethorpes-Leeds (Northern. Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Doncaster, Wakefield)
1tph Cleethorpes-Sheffield (Northern. all stations to Retford, Worksop)
2tph Cleethorpes-Barton (Northern. all stations)
1tph Barton-Lincoln (EMT. all stations)

That's certainly more than just a few basic improvements...

Three an hour on the Barton line, three an hour from Grimsby to Lincoln... By that logic I'd expect the Lincoln - Worksop - Sheffield service to be every ten minutes :lol:
 

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I would be amazed to see a service greater than hourly on any routes in Lincolnshire with the exception of maybe the Lincoln - Nottingham with a slow shuttle and fast hourly. You will never get enough demand on the other lines and if they did they can increase the length of the trains.
 
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I would be amazed to see a service greater than hourly on any routes in Lincolnshire with the exception of maybe the Lincoln - Nottingham with a slow shuttle and fast hourly. You will never get enough demand on the other lines and if they did they can increase the length of the trains.

You have to admit that Sunday is non-existent for rail travel in Lincolnshire , I mean first train from Sheffield Midland - Lincoln 1342pm <(
 

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You have to admit that Sunday is non-existent for rail travel in Lincolnshire , I mean first train from Sheffield Midland - Lincoln 1342pm <(

That is early compared to that small town Nottingham's!

Yes there is only one what to describe the Sunday service in Lincolnshire and if I did I you would soon see banned under my name :lol: (then the winter is even worse).

No service on Peterborough - Lincoln - Doncaster
Only summer service on Grimsby - Newark
Nottingham - Lincoln only late afternoon and evenings.

The TOC's claim there is no demand, but on the Market Rasen route the trains are fairly well loaded on the few weeks they do run, not just with Cleethorpes day trippers, but also people from Grimsby / Market Rasen wanting to return to London after spending weekend away. I am sure passengers at Methringham, Ruskington & Spalding would use a train service if they were offered one as well!
 
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That is early compared to that small town Nottingham's!

Yes there is only one what to describe the Sunday service in Lincolnshire and if I did I you would soon see banned under my name :lol: (then the winter is even worse).

No service on Peterborough - Lincoln - Doncaster
Only summer service on Grimsby - Newark
Nottingham - Lincoln only late afternoon and evenings.

I agree poor or what :roll:

However it could be worse , just think of the poor passenger that might turn up at Brigg or Kirton Lindsey on a sunday , only a 6 day wait
:roll:
 

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I was under the impression that the line is closed between Scunthorpe and Doncaster for some badly needed major repairs to be carried out, and that the line between Scunthorpe and Cleethorpes was in fact open for freight to serve the steelworks, and rubbish from Manchester to reach Roxby :?

However, as a resident of Scunthorpe, I shall bow to your superior knowledge in this matter.

I'm a Scheme Project Manager for Track Renewals at NR, and I can clear up your confusion on this point. It was indeed the line between Scunthorpe and Doncaster that we closed in the summer, at a place called Medge Hall. At this location the railway is built on a peat bog between two watercourses, which meant that the foundation of the track was literally being washed away. As a result, the track was going severely out of alignment frequently, and as a result of this, a 10mph speed restriction had been imposed on the section. To rectify it, we sunk 1000 10m piles and laid a concrete slab on them, on top of which we then relaid the track. This was major work and took 13 weeks, but now complete the track has been permanently stabilised and the speed restriction lifted.

On the original topic of this thread, I'm currently managing a project to renew track between Boston and Skegness. We're renewing 12 miles of the up line between Sibsey and Wainfleet this year, with 24 miles of further renewal to come in the coming two years to make the track fit for heavier, loco hauled trains. This will enable more carriages to be hauled on the route, relieving capacity issues. The track is also being renewed as welded track as opposed to the present jointed, making for a smoother ride.

I apologise for the disruption to both routes this year, but hope that those of you who use them will appreciate the difference we have made to them as a result of this investment.
 

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At this location the railway is built on a peat bog between two watercourses, which meant that the foundation of the track was literally being washed away. As a result, the track was going severely out of alignment frequently, and as a result of this, a 10mph speed restriction had been imposed on the section. To rectify it, we sunk 1000 10m piles and laid a concrete slab on them, on top of which we then relaid the track. This was major work and took 13 weeks, but now complete the track has been permanently stabilised and the speed restriction lifted.

Great news for the locals then, with regards to the methods used would the same methods be viable for Stilton Fen in the Peterborough area as it's restricted to double track for pretty much the same reason although the line speed is no way near restrictive - would be nice to 4 track between Peterborough and Huntingdon again.

That being said, NR and WAGN were pushing plans for a station outside Peterborough at Hampton a few years ago which would have required 4 tracking anyway, would have been perfect as they could have designed it as a parkway station and thus bring some capacity improvements to Peterborough station.

During the peaks, it's unbearable as it's far too small especially where car parking is concerned and picking up/dropping off passengers, with a new station.

Still thank you for your informative post on the engineering works.
 

Donny Dave

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I'm a Scheme Project Manager for Track Renewals at NR, and I can clear up your confusion on this point. It was indeed the line between Scunthorpe and Doncaster that we closed in the summer, at a place called Medge Hall. At this location the railway is built on a peat bog between two watercourses, which meant that the foundation of the track was literally being washed away. As a result, the track was going severely out of alignment frequently, and as a result of this, a 10mph speed restriction had been imposed on the section. To rectify it, we sunk 1000 10m piles and laid a concrete slab on them, on top of which we then relaid the track. This was major work and took 13 weeks, but now complete the track has been permanently stabilised and the speed restriction lifted.

On the original topic of this thread, I'm currently managing a project to renew track between Boston and Skegness. We're renewing 12 miles of the up line between Sibsey and Wainfleet this year, with 24 miles of further renewal to come in the coming two years to make the track fit for heavier, loco hauled trains. This will enable more carriages to be hauled on the route, relieving capacity issues. The track is also being renewed as welded track as opposed to the present jointed, making for a smoother ride.

I apologise for the disruption to both routes this year, but hope that those of you who use them will appreciate the difference we have made to them as a result of this investment.

Thanks for taking the time to replay and let us know what you've done to the line, it's greatly appreciated. Having been out and about a few times since the line has reopened, I can say it's a lot smoother across that section now.
 

ivanhoe

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It's a sad thing to say tha the only real improvements that Lincolnshire can really hope for is to ensure that there is real integration between bus and rail. This is really the only cost effective solution that is availabe, given the current economic climate. 1960's Beeching cuts have made better rail connections within the County almost impossible.
 
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