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HST274

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Recently I was delayed by roughly 30-40 mins on split tickets from birmingham to Scotland. I applied as such for 30+mins delay for the group of tickets, and expected 50% compensation. Recently however it came back as approved... with 100% compensation for 120 mins+ delay which is just wrong though I am not complaining too much. Just wondering if any other people of stories of being given too much. On a side note my appeal involved advance singles and off-peak returns. Would it have interpreted all of them as singles and then given the wrong compensation which could come back to me or...

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When I live in Kent I was delayed getting back from London due to snow. There was pretty serious disruption but I'd seen it coming and left London early so I was only delayed by 45 minutes. In addition to the delay repay, for some reason they enclosed a £25 Marks and Spencer gift voucher. Which was very nice of them!
 

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I had one recently, travelling from Warrington Bank Quay to Motherwell on an Avanti service, which ended up starting from Preston due to staff shortages.

As it happened I was able to board a slightly earlier Edinburgh train from WBQ and then make the connection to the Glasgow train at Preston, which departed about half an hour late and arrived in Motherwell only 25 or so minutes down.

I submitted the claim based on this timing but they refunded me 100%, presumably based on the fact that if I’d travelled on the next service from WBQ after my planned departure, they’d also cancelled the next couple of trains with a Motherwell stop so I would have arrived three hours late.
 

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Nice try fraud team :lol:

I did have delay repay increased once where a train made an SSO. Instead of paying the rate at which I'd requested for the actual delay, they increased to the level it would have been as if I'd taken the next scheduled service.

Another case was where an operator wrongly refused access through the ticket gates crossing London due to an off peak ticket being held at a peak time, but with the particularly ticket held the peak time restrictions were different. An oyster fare refund was requested but instead a £15 rail travel voucher was sent far exceeding the value of the oyster fare paid.

Not strictly "given too much" but TfL once gave me £10 oyster credit as an apology after making a minor complaint, which was unexpected.
 

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A bit OT, but sometimes after a day's walking I have found my planned train home preceded by a late running earlier train, and been able to enjoy free refreshments being given by way of apology to passengers for the delay to their train. Nobody asks where I got on - ethical dilemma!
 

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Not a getting more than entitled to story, but something similar.

I recently arrived at Carlisle, travelling on an advance ticket, to see that my Euston via Birmingham train was cancelled, I was due to change at Birmingham International for a Northampton train. I noticed that the just arriving Euston not via Birmingham service was one if the rare ones that stopped at Rugby, so I jumped on board and explained myself to the Train Manager, who had no issues at all with my actions, and consequently arrived into Northampton an hour earlier than I was expecting. I obviously made no claim, but I did wonder if Avanti were going to do a reverse delay repay and charge me double the fare :lol:

Had I benn less mobile I wouldn't have been able to make the service I caught which would have been a long delay as the next via Birmingham was 2 hours later and the next not via Birmingham was non-stop to Euston after Warrington Bank Quay.

I do realise that there are the less honest elements that would have claimed delay repay by telling porky pies. In effect getting themselves a reward for arriving early.
 

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Not a getting more than entitled to story, but something similar.

I recently arrived at Carlisle, travelling on an advance ticket, to see that my Euston via Birmingham train was cancelled, I was due to change at Birmingham International for a Northampton train. I noticed that the just arriving Euston not via Birmingham service was one if the rare ones that stopped at Rugby, so I jumped on board and explained myself to the Train Manager, who had no issues at all with my actions, and consequently arrived into Northampton an hour earlier than I was expecting. I obviously made no claim, but I did wonder if Avanti were going to do a reverse delay repay and charge me double the fare :lol:

Had I benn less mobile I wouldn't have been able to make the service I caught which would have been a long delay as the next via Birmingham was 2 hours later and the next not via Birmingham was non-stop to Euston after Warrington Bank Quay.

I do realise that there are the less honest elements that would have claimed delay repay by telling porky pies. In effect getting themselves a reward for arriving early.
In a similar vein I was half an hour late on an Edinburgh to Birmingham train, but because I had a planned long change at new street and ran for a train I was only 10 minutes late at my destination. As I was split at Preston (and 40 mins late when we left there) I could have claimed on that and even the preston to Longbridge ticket.
 

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There was a wonderful spell a few years ago when Virgin couldn't cope with all the claims they were getting and just sent a £50 voucher to anyone who wrote in.
 

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I'm guessing there's a point where the staff time needed to process all claims correctly, and the risk of further appeals costing more time, would cost the operator more than just paying out a blanket delay rate at a higher amount to put an end to it. Maybe this has been a factor in some of these instances.
 

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I once had a 75% refund from a return trip on Caledonian Sleeper. The northbound was 35 late into Edinburgh so I claimed a 50% delay repay. Not only did they give me a 100% repayment for that leg, they also refunded 50% of the return leg (which I didn’t ask them to) - even though it arrived 45 mins EARLY into Euston!
 

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There was a wonderful spell a few years ago when Virgin couldn't cope with all the claims they were getting and just sent a £50 voucher to anyone who wrote in.
That was excellent. I had an open return and got three vouchers out of it. One for a delay on the outward, one for partly abandoning the journey due to service disruption (flooding I think) and another for the return leg where we got stuck behind a fatality. Best bit was, it was a child ticket that cost around £20 and it was while Anytime tickets were valid in 1st at weekends! £150 in vouchers arrived a few weeks later.

I also got a decent response from Arriva Trains Wales when I wrote in after a train on the Heart of Wales line was cancelled. I was down there ticking off stations just before my 16th, making the most of child fares. I explained what I was doing, how inconvenient it had been and that I was 16 in a few weeks so it'd obviously cost me a fair bit more to recover those stations. They sent me a reply with a standard apology, and then wishing me luck in visiting all the stations and vouchers to the value of the full undiscounted adult fare and then another £10 on top. Which I thought was a nice gesture to be fair.
 

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There was a time when GWR was taking 2-3 months to respond and they ended up rounding up all my claims to the next multiple of £10

This included the full price of a rover for a delay on just one day

Also I have done well out of the northern free return tickets as I've always managed to spend the time delayed doing something else (having RTT to work out when the next possible service will arrive is useful - can go for an hour's walk while the other passengers sit around at the station looking bored/angry)
 

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There was a time when GWR was taking 2-3 months to respond and they ended up rounding up all my claims to the next multiple of £10

This included the full price of a rover for a delay on just one day

Also I have done well out of the northern free return tickets as I've always managed to spend the time delayed doing something else (having RTT to work out when the next possible service will arrive is useful - can go for an hour's walk while the other passengers sit around at the station looking bored/angry)
That reminds me of another one. I got a West Mids Day ranger refunded by FGW when I'd waited for a long time, around an hour and a half I think, for a Hereford HST for them to promptly cancel it on the spot when I boarded. I'd never travelled with FGW at that point and had only been on a couple of HSTs between Leeds and Wakefield, so had put that into my trip as something special. I emailed and complained about the lack of notice given and having wasted loads of time for nothing and they sent me vouchers to the full cost of the ranger.
 

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I have had this, there's a thread about it somewhere. There is no mechanism to repay it (short of something "faffy" like looking for a ticket for that TOC priced at the exact amount they paid over), so I guess if you feel bad about it you could consider donating the excess to charity.

I think Avanti and other First TOCs will have it more than others because they don't provide a means of telling them what trains you did actually use, they work it out, and it seems their system often gets it wrong.
 

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I have had this, there's a thread about it somewhere. There is no mechanism to repay it (short of something "faffy" like looking for a ticket for that TOC priced at the exact amount they paid over), so I guess if you feel bad about it you could consider donating the excess to charity.

I think Avanti and other First TOCs will have it more than others because they don't provide a means of telling them what trains you did actually use, they work it out, and it seems their system often gets it wrong.
Personally my feeling is that it is up to them to choose the right repay and if it is wrong and I haven't lied then I see it as an 'extra'.
 

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There was a wonderful spell a few years ago when Virgin couldn't cope with all the claims they were getting and just sent a £50 voucher to anyone who wrote in.

When Northern had the summer 2018 meltdown there was a period when it seemed every 30+ minute claim I made (and there were several a week, the service was that dire) resulted in two all day free tickets in compensation. I've no idea if this was an official policy or just disaffected / stressed admin people going a bit rogue, but they were certainly appreciated
 

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Never given too much. But given very good customer service on four particular occasions:

1. I had an advance with Cross Country and connections from Cranbrook to Cambourne changing at Exeter St Davids. The weather was really bad that evening but there wasn't any 'do not travel' warning. Just a warning of disruption. Arriving at Exeter St Davids the train was cancelled. I asked staff (GWR) who explained that Cross Country were terminating at Plymouth all evening and ticket acceptance was in place with GWR. Though my booked train was running (to Plymouth only), I was advised to get the next GWR service straight through as the connection may be missed at Plymouth. The journey went very badly - there seemed serious line issues. We were at Totnes for ages. Not enough information to know whether or not there was time to go and get some food. Things got pretty scary as we entered Cornwall. The traction was causing real issues, so a speed restriction had to be imposed the whole way from Plymouth to Penzance. I think it was 60mph. There were several long delays. Then approaching Truro we were held again at a station for ages, with a report that the train in front had slipped on the incline due to how bad the rail traction was. The GWR guard was quite useless. He seemed to be panicking. He caused a lot of panic on board by basically saying he had no idea if he could sort out any transport for people who had missed the last connnections of the night to Newquay and Falmouth. Every time we were held again at a station, the fear increased that our service was going to be cancelled and he would fail to sort out any onward. Yet another member of staff stepped forward. I am not sure what role she was. She was not the guard/train manager (that was the man who was panicking) - she had GWR uniform on. I suspect she may have been travelling as a passenger actually (I think she was a train manager just not for this train?), but got involved as things fell apart. It was she who went around and asked people where they needed to go. Then she managed to get a taxi company sorted for Par station to take people to Newquay (after the man just said that Control had found no free taxis on their listed companies. Was she more persuasive?). Usually scheduled replacement transport to Newquay goes from St Austell not Par but as she was alighting at Par (she said it was 'her station' - going home I think), she agreed to effectively be station staff to ensure the passengers met their taxis. At Truro, one of the staff had managed to arrange road transport in advance, and someone was ready on the platform. We limped into Camborne at 1am! Between 4 and 5 hours late. The male guard had seemingly regained his composure - I think her help had really helped him. I don't think he was in anyway bad staff, just the situation was too much for him, maybe not experienced. Certainly not malicious. After all he helped someone over the bridge at one station where we had a long dwell time and they were getting a Sleeper - I think they had been sent by GWR down the line on our train a few stops then back up again on the sleeper (their intended train) due to the extent of delays as there were no waiting rooms open that late! As we rolled into Camborne, the station lighting was out! I know this is unlikely to be strictly permitted, but to avoid any further disruption, the guard got out and shone his torch down the length of the platform so we could all just about make our way safely along the platform and out of the station. He didn't dispatch until everyone had left the platform. I found somewhere to get food at 1am, even though it was a bit greasy - more of a clubbers takeaway than a top quality one! Staff experience on the journey was a bit mixed - but Cross Country not only offered delay repay of the full price of the advance single, but also threw in a complimentary ticket for use anywhere on their network - due to how scary that journey was on their ticket, even though it was in the end not their train.
2. I had an advance from Edinburgh to London Terminals with Virgin (via West Coast). There were serious over head line issues between Lockerbie and Carlisle. No Virgin west coast services were operating out of Edinburgh. But they arranged ticket acceptance on Scotrail, including the fast trains via Falkirk High (not just the Bathgate line as some operators have done!). After walking to Glasgow Central, it was chaos, with queues out the door, but they were getting people on trains and they put on an extra Preston service to take the overcrowding pressure off the Euston one, as they had a spare Pendolino in the station due to earlier disruption. A couple of special stop orders later, we finally arrived at Euston at 12 midnight or so. The train manager was good. He came round checking if people needed anything. I was going to Woolwich Arsenal. I didn't have a ticket yet as it is contactless, so strictly no contract was in place yet. But he called Control and they agreed to get me to Woolwich if needed. When the delay got worse, due to the special stop orders - I know one was Rugby as the last connection to it was missed - he activated the agreement to get me road transport, also as he saw how tired I was due to the extreme delays that day, and with several changes on TFL to do, I could easily fall asleep on a tube and end up off route, even if I could get to Woolwich - it looked very tight. Just about doable, but minimum connections for all last tubes and less than the minimum connection at London Bridge, but doable if everything on time. Arriving at Euston, a number of us were taken to the waiting room which was opened for us, then taken down to the taxi rank. I was just going to Woolwich Arsenal. Other people were being taxied to Windsor, Farnborough (Hampshire) and the Sussex coast (Hove?) respectively, while someone going to Heathrow had been given a taxi at Watford Junction complete with a print out and a contact phone number for the taxi if any delay as no station staff were left there. It was all managed really well.
3. SWR and Southeastern worked really well together for once, mainly thanks to 2 excellent SWR guards and the Controls working together to arrange a taxi from Axminister to Cranbrook when a Southeastern delay had led to the final Exeter train being missed at Waterloo, only an Axminster one left.
4. I was travelling from Exeter St Davids to Manchester Piccadilly on Cross Country when the points failed at the exit of the Weston super Mare loop (if it had been spotted earlier, we could have diverted via Weston non-stopping) and we were stuck there for over an hour. Train terminated at Bristol Temple Meads and told to get next one which was right behind. But the train manager came round with forms for delay repay and onward assistance, and collected them all in again. Within 2 weeks, I had a cheque for the full value of the delay repay and also a complimentary Cross Country ticket. The latter was above the call of duty as the issue was a points failure.

Could also throw in a fifth? Scotrail staff (in the First days) accepting Pollokshields West tickets to Pollokshaws West after a ticketing confusion. Seemed an unofficial easement at least at the time going by what the guard said. I think there's a strong case for either an official easement or changing say Pollokshaws West to West Pollokshaws to reduce confusion. An easement may be cheaper.
 

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Personally my feeling is that it is up to them to choose the right repay and if it is wrong and I haven't lied then I see it as an 'extra'.
If you know it is wrong, then it is theft by finding. Not that anyone would care, but personally I would donate the known excess to a charity and be done with it.
 

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I've had at least 3 times when GTR has given me about £7.50 (2 hrs+) instead of 50p (15 mins). I'll happily take it, but it does make me wonder what causes it.

All the times, it's just been the train being delayed -- no cancellations of intermediate stops, etc.
 

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I know they no longer exist, but everytime I claimed Delay Repay from Virgin West Coast I was given more than I was entitled too. They always seemed to round up to the nearest £5 in RTV's.
 

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I'm being paid £1 by LNER in respect of my DR claim for 85p. Does that count?
 

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If you know it is wrong, then it is theft by finding. Not that anyone would care

There isn't a process to pay it back anyway, short of finding a ticket of the same value as the overpayment, buying it and ripping it up.

but personally I would donate the known excess to a charity and be done with it.

This is probably the best way.
 

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There isn't a process to pay it back anyway, short of finding a ticket of the same value as the overpayment, buying it and ripping it up.
I have done something like this, where I have had no time to buy a ticket, jumped on a train where the conductor didn't come through and then bought a ticket at my destination back to my starting point to make up the cost.
 

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If I was minded to pay back any extra received (which I am not because delays have cost me substantial consequential losses), I would just refrain from claiming on a future delay.
 

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When I travelled by train, I travelled a lot and didn't keep track of payments. I just sent them off. Some, I'm sure, would be too much whilst others, I'm equally sure, would be too little. The key thing is that I claimed correctly each time, if they mess up it's not my fault.

The only one that springs to mind that I did chase up, was travelling from Crewe to Morecambe, arrived at Crewe and purchased a ticket. There were signs and announcements that there were no trains to London, but other than that all was well.
On arrival at Lancaster there were no trains to Morecambe as Northern were on strike. This was the first we knew. There was no alternative provision.
We walked to Morecambe (so still reached our destination, delayed. We caught a service bus back-at our own expense-which took a lot longer) I put in a delay repay (DR) claim to Northern. They rejected it saying we abandoned the journey so we must ask Virgin Trains (as ticket retailer) for a refund. Virgin said as we still ended up at Morecambe we were merely delayed and did not abandon the journey, so DR from Northern was due.
This went on for quite a while till I threatened to take further action. At this point both Northern & Virgin said it wasn't their fault, but purely as a goodwill gesture, they would refund me the full cost. So, essentially I made a profit out of it! As it was purely a goodwill gesture it's not an overpayment either.
 

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I'm guessing there's a point where the staff time needed to process all claims correctly, and the risk of further appeals costing more time, would cost the operator more than just paying out a blanket delay rate at a higher amount to put an end to it. Maybe this has been a factor in some of these instances.
This is what VTWC used to do regularly before delay repay became the standard. All well and good when your claim is close to the amount offered, not so much when they sent rail vouchers worth £60 for a 15 person group ticket that was entitled to 100% compo. Got another £900 sent a few months later after a complaint.
 

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I applied to GWR for compensation after my train from Bristol was cancelled a few weeks ago, and ended up getting not only 100% of the cost of my ticket back, but an extra couple of pounds on top of that (for some reason!)
 
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Not quite in the same league as many here, but a few years ago I had to cancel a multi-point trip around the country. Booked as advances. Had a medical issue which meant I couldn’t undertake it, and was actually being taken to theatre at the exact same time as my first train was due to leave. East Midlands Trains refunded the whole lot.

I was also supposed to take a couple of flights too. Those tickets were supposed to be refundable if you’re unable to fly on medical grounds. I couldn’t even get through to them, so no refund there.
 

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I put in a claim for a refund of the outbound hovercraft portion of a return trip from London to Ryde when the service was cancelled and I had to pay extra for the ferry. I received a complete refund for the entire return trip!
 

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I put a claim in with Transpenine over the weekend for 30-59 mins and they provided the 60-119 minute compensation, the only reason I can think is it involved a connecting train after the Transpenine service and even though I easily made the connecting service after the initial one I missed due to the delay with 7 minutes or so to get to the relevant platform their system must have picked up on the fact this was below the 'minimum connection time' so paid as if I would have missed that one too and been waiting another half hour

I was also rather impressed with the fact my claim went in on Sunday afternoon, they had verified it and it was in my bank by Monday evening! Certain other operators take a lot longer than that!
 
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