Train front/cab destination screens and PTI risk

[172007]

Whilst driving gangwayed Desiro/electrostar/turbostar trains where the PIS is located above the non driving side windscreen I have increasingly noticed members of the public standing past the yellow platform lines, sometimes on the edge and leaning over to read the train destination as I arrive.

Has anyone else noticed this and should these displays be removed / repositioned to reduce the platform train interface risk. After all despatch announcements, staff and security guards especially at Avanti are increasingly getting vocal to get passengers to stand beyond the yellow line.

 

[3141]

Whilst driving gangwayed Desiro/electrostar/turbostar trains where the PIS is located above the non driving side windscreen I have increasingly noticed members of the public standing past the yellow platform lines, sometimes on the edge and leaning over to read the train destination as I arrive.

Has anyone else noticed this and should these displays be removed / repositioned to reduce the platform train interface risk. After all despatch announcements, staff and security guards especially at Avanti are increasingly getting vocal to get passengers to stand beyond the yellow line.

If it's an island platform the display will be nearer to the platform. Agreed, there are fewer of those than platforms to the left of the train where the display is further away. But at every station there's an electronic display, usually detailing the next three trains, and announcements as well.

Therefore I think it is unnecessary to relocate the displays on the front of the train.

 

[Recessio]

A lot of trains also have side screens. I don't think you can do much about passengers who choose to look at the front, rather than the side of the train or the platform screens!

 

[172007]

A lot of trains also have side screens. I don't think you can do much about passengers who choose to look at the front, rather than the side of the train or the platform screens!

Remove front screens ans place on the side on all carriages.

 

[Deepgreen]

On the 700s and others, no matter how hard we look, it's usually impossible to read them anyway! The whole destination indicator saga on the UK's railways is grim - they vary so much as to be laughable and usually are hard to read. Either have a sensible standard for the displays or get rid of them - the current mess is terrible. I can't see why the 700s' screens can't be light-sensitive, so that they are legible in tunnel and bright daylight conditions. It's not complex technology these days.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Remove front screens ans place on the side on all carriages.

Side is better anyway, I think the front was just from the days when the driver had to wind it manually. Buses are different as you need to flag them down. I'd agree it should be on the side of every vehicle, ideally by both sets of doors.

 

[FOH]

On the 700s and others, no matter how hard we look, it's usually impossible to read them anyway! The whole destination indicator saga on the UK's railways is grim - they vary so much as to be laughable and usually are hard to read. Either have a sensible standard for the displays or get rid of them - the current mess is terrible. I can't see why the 700s' screens can't be light-sensitive, so that they are legible in tunnel and bright daylight conditions. It's not complex technology these days.

Siemens external displays seem to be universally woeful across all their stock

 

[Bletchleyite]

Siemens external displays seem to be universally woeful across all their stock

On the Desiros, flipdot may look dated but it is very clear in all light conditions.

 

[MCR247]

On the Desiros, flipdot may look dated but it is very clear in all light conditions.

Plus the fact the size and thickness of the text (on the side ones) varies relative to the length of the destination station makes them a clear favourite to me.

I know this is possible with LEDs too but I can’t think of any UK trains that make use of it. In fact we’ve gone backwards if anything (cheers TrainFX!)

 

[Deepgreen]

If it's an island platform the display will be nearer to the platform. Agreed, there are fewer of those than platforms to the left of the train where the display is further away. But at every station there's an electronic display, usually detailing the next three trains, and announcements as well.

Therefore I think it is unnecessary to relocate the displays on the front of the train.

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On the Desiros, flipdot may look dated but it is very clear in all light conditions.

Indeed so. It seems that the front indicators are no longer relevant, BUT, it is pretty depressing that no manufacturer has managed to provide an LED one which is actually useful - a sensible size text combined with variable brightness to suit all ambient lighting. It is not cutting edge technology these days. The 442s also had ludicrously small indicators built in to the top of the corridor connection - one had to look closely even to see that there was an indicator there!

 

[skyhigh]

Indeed so. It seems that the front indicators are no longer relevant, BUT, it is pretty depressing that no manufacturer has managed to provide an LED one which is actually useful - a sensible size text combined with variable brightness to suit all ambient lighting.

For what it's worth I think it's something that the 195/331s get right. They are reasonably legible and do vary in brightness - you can tell when you enter a tunnel.

 

[Vectron383]

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This is something I feel Europe gets about right- most if not all coaches in Slovakia, for example, have paper holders for destination placards, and newer ones also have dot matrix display boxes near the right-hand door.

 

[Deepgreen]

For what it's worth I think it's something that the 195/331s get right. They are reasonably legible and do vary in brightness - you can tell when you enter a tunnel.

I haven't seen those; good to know it has been done - now for the remainder of us!