Trainsplit question York - London Kings Crossa explanation please

[johnr57]

for tuesday 19th June, 0559 ex YRK

trainsplit gives a fare changing at (and split at) PBO onto a GN service but the restriction is GC only so why cant i just stay on the LNER service?

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

for tuesday 19th June, 0559 ex YRK

trainsplit gives a fare changing at (and split at) PBO onto a GN service but the restriction is GC only so why cant i just stay on the LNER service?

Not sure how you are booking that far in advance. TrainSplit only sells about 3 months in advance.

 

[johnr57]

oops sorry 19th March! (partners birthday 19th June lol)

 

[Haywain]

for tuesday 19th June, 0559 ex YRK

trainsplit gives a fare changing at (and split at) PBO onto a GN service but the restriction is GC only so why cant i just stay on the LNER service?

Do you mean the restriction code is GC, rather than the route being GC only? It makes a significant difference.

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

I can't see TrainSplit recommending any ticket with a restriction code of GC or a route of "Grand Central only". But the reason it's putting you on the GN service at PBO is because it's marginally cheaper than staying on the train - as a cheaper combination of splits is available, due to the fact that the GN service calls at Stevenage, which is an optimal splitting point for the morning peak (due to there being a cheaper "Thameslink & Great Northern only" fare).

If you want to buy a combination of splits staying on the same train, you can simply select "fast" mode in the mode selection icons in the results page, or you can enter "maximum changes 0" in the Advanced options on the initial search page.

 

[johnr57]

which is what ive done, but manually on the lner site. i just didnt understand what it would say on the ticket about the PBO - KGX portion

 

[johnr57]

Your Outbound Journey, Tuesday, 19 March, 2019
York
Peterborough

1 hr 19 mins


05:59
07:18

London North Eastern Railway train service to London Kings Cross (details)

wait for 17 mins (info)


Peterborough
London Kings Cross

1 hr 11 mins


07:35
08:46

Great Northern train service to London Kings Cross (details)

Important Information
At least one of your tickets is an advance fare. You must travel on this itinerary or your tickets won't be valid. Provided that you arrived in time for your first train, if you are then delayed and miss a connecting train, or if a train is cancelled, you will be allowed to catch a later one (although you must still observe any route or other ticket restrictions). If this happens, we suggest you get your tickets endorsed by the guard on the delayed train, or at a ticket office.



Your Tickets
Price Description
York to London Kings Cross
Advance Single (1st Class) (OBS)
(Senior Railcard) £35.00

• Only valid on booked London North Eastern Railway services and required connecting services.
• Restriction GC applies - click for details

Fare: £35.00


the information

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

Your Outbound Journey, Tuesday, 19 March, 2019
York
Peterborough

1 hr 19 mins


05:59
07:18

London North Eastern Railway train service to London Kings Cross (details)

wait for 17 mins (info)


Peterborough
London Kings Cross

1 hr 11 mins


07:35
08:46

Great Northern train service to London Kings Cross (details)

Important Information
At least one of your tickets is an advance fare. You must travel on this itinerary or your tickets won't be valid. Provided that you arrived in time for your first train, if you are then delayed and miss a connecting train, or if a train is cancelled, you will be allowed to catch a later one (although you must still observe any route or other ticket restrictions). If this happens, we suggest you get your tickets endorsed by the guard on the delayed train, or at a ticket office.



Your Tickets
Price Description
York to London Kings Cross
Advance Single (1st Class) (OBS)
(Senior Railcard) £35.00

• Only valid on booked London North Eastern Railway services and required connecting services.
• Restriction GC applies - click for details

Fare: £35.00


the information

What it prints will depend on where you print the tickets. If you print it on an LNER machine then it will say something like "Valid on reserved services shown below and connecting services". There is nothing on the ticket, its conditions, or indeed the NRCoT, to say that you can't just continue on the same train from Peterborough. There's one internal staff page that suggests you shouldn't take reservable services for the "connecting" leg of an Advance, but there's no way that can be a term of the ticket as you wouldn't know that unless you're an insider (i.e. it isn't communicated to you).

 

[johnr57]

i think - to answer my own question, if id booked that split then it would have printed 2 tickets YRK - PBO LNER and PBO - KGX GN only, as it was it only cost about £10 extra to stay on the LNER service splitting at PBO thats how ive booked it.
ok going OT - what do the 3 letter codes (OBS, OBZ) etc mean? or where can you find out what they refer to

 

[tom73]

I've been rather put off TrainSplit. If I book the outward and return of my intended journey separately, it would be £9.25 each way total £18.50. But if I book a return, £19.15 comes up as the cheapest. How does that work? I know it's only 65p but it's the principle of a return booking being more expensive than two singles bought separately

 

[yorkie]

I've been rather put off TrainSplit. If I book the outward and return of my intended journey separately, it would be £9.25 each way total £18.50. But if I book a return, £19.15 comes up as the cheapest. How does that work? I know it's only 65p but it's the principle of a return booking being more expensive than two singles bought separately

That's a good price for York to London* when are you looking at?

OK so I realise your journey isn't York to London, which begs the question: what are the travel details? Without the details, we can't answer the question.

(* If it relates to a different query to the OP's, it's best not to post in this thread)

 

[yorkie]

why cant i just stay on the LNER service?

Because you only have a reservation as far as Peterborough; the quota of the cheaper fare is unavailable between Peterborough and London on that train.

as it was it only cost about £10 extra to stay on the LNER service splitting at PBO thats how ive booked it.

Yes for only £10 extra it's better value to be reserved on LNER all the way to King's Cross.

ok going OT - what do the 3 letter codes (OBS, OBZ) etc mean? or where can you find out what they refer to

The codes you have used such as "PBO" are station codes. Ticket types, such as "OBS" also use three letter codes, while "GC" is a restriction code.

These codes are used by the rail industry and it does help some people that they are printed on the booking confirmation but passengers can basically ignore them and refer to the human-readable information and ignore the codes.

Only the station codes are particularly useful to 'average' passengers; the restriction codes and ticket codes are more useful for ticket issuers and people inspecting tickets or analysing fares etc.

Can you please edit your opening post so that the full names of stations are included at least once? We do allow the use of correct codes but we do ask that the full names are used at least once. Thanks!

 

[OwlMan]

ok going OT - what do the 3 letter codes (OBS, OBZ) etc mean? or where can you find out what they refer to

THe National rail "Ticket and Validity Finder" will give you the details for all ticket codes & restriction codes
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/TicketAndValidityFinder.aspx