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Unscheduled stops to swop train staff

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I'm currently on Grand Central's 1627 Kings Cross-Bradford Interchange. It has made an unscheduled stop at Newark Northgate to swop drivers with a southbound service. It made me wonder how common it is for unscheduled stops for staff swops to take place. Has anyone else experienced it?

(Incidentally, top marks to the guard who has explained to passengers at each stage what is hapoening,)
 
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I remember it happening on a Tunbridge Wells - Charing X service I was on several years ago at Grove Park; no announcement though but it did happen in 10 seconds ish. I've seen it more often for freight train drivers swapping at stations, although that maybe different to this topic.
 

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When Inverness and Aberdeen services operated from Glasgow Central , there was staff who got on and off at Cumbernauld.
 

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It happens on the Isle of Mann electric railway in the middle of nowhere, just at the point where they happen to pass.
 

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Happens all the time at stations like Welwyn Garden City, Hornsey, City Thameslink and others for picking up or dropping off crew. That's must for GTR that I have seen myself.
 

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GC 10.22 Bradford - Kings Cross terminated at Grantham this morning. Possibly staff out of position?
 

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A Helensburgh to Edinburgh service was about 30L, so we ran non-stop from Helensburgh to Glasgow. Or so we thought. We stopped at Dalmuir, picked up some staff, then stopped at Garscadden and they got off.
Happens daily on the north electrics thanks to the Byzantine driver diagrams and frequent service perturbation.
 

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I hadn't experienced this until the recent TL debacle. Now, I have been on 3 Bedford-origin TL trains which have made extra stops at Cricklewood to either swap out drivers or allow drivers to alight. On one occasion the stop was displayed publicly on station CIS but not onboard and I observed a couple trying to alight from carriage 8 (I think), having to run up the train to alight only to not be able to open the platform 3 gate. The train pulled away before I could see if they got out safely.

GTR staff don't have access to update the CIS onboard the class 700s.
 

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Occasionally done at Wigan when Manchester to Preston trains diverted to run nonstop between Salford Crescent/Bolton and Leyland.
 

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Happens occasionally at Bletchley on LNW trains to drop off staff. A couple of xx:49 Euston services are actually scheduled to stop at Bletchley to enable crew changes, I believe, but unscheduled (and unannounced) stops happen as well.
 

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Happens occasionally at Bletchley on LNW trains to drop off staff. A couple of xx:49 Euston services are actually scheduled to stop at Bletchley to enable crew changes, I believe, but unscheduled (and unannounced) stops happen as well.

LNR you mean ;) - and the ones in the morning are to facilitate connections from the Marston Vale line from Bletchley to Milton Keynes Central - I don't think any crew changes are booked (same on the xx07 off Milton Keynes Central to Euston) but yes they certainly do happen!
 

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You'll quite often get Southern stopping at Selhurst to pick up a driver to relieve the train there ir further down the line.
Also its not uncommon for them to stop at Three Bridges if a Thameslink's been cancelled, otherwise a portion of a Haywards Health splitter will be missing a driver for the back half
 

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"Main line" services stopping for staff at Selhurst , used to be fairly common - until one day a Gatex was pulled up , which had the then GM of the Southern Region onboard.
 

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Happens all the time at stations like Welwyn Garden City, Hornsey, City Thameslink and others for picking up or dropping off crew. That's must for GTR that I have seen myself.

Seen many a Kings Lynn man get picked up at Welwyn with a special stop due to their 313 being late.
 

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Used to stop at Wimbledon Staff Halt quite a lot when I used to head down from Earlsfield.
 

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During disruption out of Paddington I’ve arranged for a Paddington - Bedwyn service (usually first stop Reading) to call at West Ealing to set down the driver for the Greenfords.
 

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Not so long ago a 455 sat down around Raynes Park, and there was some sort of accusation of the crew, so a 10 car down fast Weymouth called there, the calling pattern was Waterloo, Raynes Park, Winchester etc.
 

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Some years ago being held at a random signal near Ulleskelf, middle of nowhere... drivers legging it across. Ain't good. :o
 

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Happens all the time at stations like Welwyn Garden City, Hornsey, City Thameslink and others for picking up or dropping off crew. That's must for GTR that I have seen myself.

Indeed, the Thameslink train I was on (between Peterborough & East Croydon) last Tuesday changed drivers at Finsbury Park very quickly after arriving on time, departing only a minute late.....
 

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Unadvertised stops at Selhurst carried on well into the privatisation era, at least on the overnight trains from Victoria. Many locals knew trains always stopped there. (If they didn't having to get off at East Croydon wasn't the end of the world, but in my experience they always did. Don't know if they still do, it's the best part of a decade since I did it - I'm old enough now that just the thought of a night out in London makes me shudder!)
 

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Staff stops at Selhurst or Norwood Junction (depending on the route an overnight train uses) are still very much alive and well. The stops on TL trains have historically been a much more closely-guarded secret for many years, but have become somewhat more necessary since the overnight Southern services were slashed for whatever actual reason (a sorry situation which allegedly was only temporarily, but in reality has become a near enough permanent absence on weeknights now).

Most such stops are made as per the crew diagrams, and as such they are generally not made on an “unofficial” basis in any way, especially given doors are usually released at staff stops at Selhurst in particular (though do not have to be) and it would be foolish for someone to randomly let passengers on and off trains without official consent.

Special Stop Orders can be given which specifically dictate staff stops are to be made, and in such cases, Control will also state whether or not passengers may use them if they so desire.

You can also have Crew Stops, which would be for the specific use of train crew only (not just any and all staff, which can include cleaners, fitters, managers going to the office, etc.). These stops usually involve use of cab doors by competent persons, and no door release is given for passengers to board or alight. Again, these can also be done as per diagrams or if a Special Stop Order is given.

Some ECS moves have been known to stop unofficially for crew change purposes at Selhurst or similar, and this is not generally ever frowned upon, though this is rather more by local custom than official consent.

The matters have been muddled over the years by things like station locking-up policies meaning doors on the train can/cannot be released, or by very restrictive SDO on some fleets, meaning some passengers may not even realise the train may have had its doors open in a different carriage.

As for stopping the odd GatEx specially - been there, done that! I did experience one unfortunate occasion where a driver said “only one staff stop please, or I’ll miss my train home” - so I persuade him that stop x was the most urgent as an Important Train would otherwise be irretrievably cancelled. I alight at stop x and observe that the driver accelerates rapidly towards London, no doubt thinking he had made up time, and would shortly be on his train home... said train having just been cancelled because other crew had been displaced by a further problem elsewhere! The poor people at Gatwick who were wanting all the other intermediate stops could have slowed the GX down no end with their requests, and the driver would have got home at just exactly the same time.
 
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