Validity query please

[NeilWatson]

I have been issued an 'Anytime Day Travelcard' (restriction any permitted route) from Haddenham and Thame Parkway to London.

Can someone assist please with details of any other routes where the ticket may be valid please - I'm particularly interested in whether I can travel from Marlow to Paddington using the ticket.

Thank you

 

[MarlowDonkey]

I'm particularly interested in whether I can travel from Marlow to Paddington using the ticket.

You could take the bus from Marlow to High Wycombe as it's obviously valid from there. Otherwise, it doesn't appear that going via Banbury, Oxford, Reading and Maidenhead to Paddington is valid.

The Travelcard part would be valid from West Drayton to Paddington, so only a Marlow to West Drayton ticket would be needed. Outside of peak hours and evenings, the connections via Maidenhead all stop at West Drayton.

 

[sheff1]

National Rail Enquires shows journeys from Haddenham and Thame Parkway to West Drayton, using a Anytime Day Travelcard, are valid via Banbury and Reading

e.g.

* H & Thame dep 0720 - Banbury arr 0749

* Banbury dep 0756 - Reading arr 0840

* Reading dep 0905 - W Drayton arr 0941.

The latter train calls at Maidenhead (0919) and continues to Paddington.


A seperate ticket would be needed from Marlow to Maidenhead.

 

[LexyBoy]

The only Permitted Route is Haddenham-West Ruislip, then wherever you like within Zones 1-6.

If you want to travel via Marlow you will need an additional ticket as above - a Boundary Zone 6 - Marlow ticket would be better as you would not be limited to trains which stop at the change-over station. This is £8.40/15.80 Anytime Day Single/Return, £8.70 Off Peak Day Return (valid after 0929, no evening restrictions).
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National Rail Enquires shows journeys from Haddenham and Thame Parkway to West Drayton, using a Anytime Day Travelcard, are valid via Banbury and Reading

So it does, which is interesting.

I couldn't get any of the booking engines to do this though, so it may not be possible to book a ticket with this itinerary (indeed, OP already holds the ticket). If trying to use it this way I would advise taking a printout from NRE - whilst there is unlikely to be a ticket check between Maidenhead and West Drayton (except perhaps on the few through trains from Marlow), it could make for an interesting discussion.

 

[AlterEgo]

Banbury is the routeing point for Haddenham+Thame. I was surprised to see the validity of the ticket on checking the routes. I too would advise keeping a copy of NRE to hand. I would expect staff not to know about this one!

 

[LexyBoy]

Banbury is a routeing point for Haddenham and Thame. It is not an appropriate RP when determining permitted routes from there to any of London, West Ruislip or West Drayton - the only appropriate RP is Princes Risborough.

 

[AlterEgo]

Banbury is a routeing point for Haddenham and Thame. It is not an appropriate RP when determining permitted routes from there to any of London, West Ruislip or West Drayton - the only appropriate RP is Princes Risborough.

Agreed entirely, and my previous posting was badly worded.

I meant to say something like "Banbury is a routeing point for Haddemham + Thame and maybe that's why NRE is giving the routeing it is".

 

[LexyBoy]

That's all I can think too - didn't mean to come across as argumentative, I didn't think you were saying that only Banbury is a RP for Haddenham!

 

[MarlowDonkey]

National Rail Enquires shows journeys from Haddenham and Thame Parkway to West Drayton, using a Anytime Day Travelcard, are valid via Banbury and Reading

It will also show a route via Oxford Parkway and a bus.

It looks as if you just need the additional Marlow to Maidenhead ticket, provided it's valid to start short at Maidenhead on the way to West Drayton.

 

[CyrusWuff]

Looking on NRE just now, it's not giving any fares for Haddenham - West Drayton via Oxford, though it's claiming a Travelcard is valid to go Haddenham - Banbury - Reading - West Drayton.

Not surprisingly, doing a fares check gives Princes Risborough and Hayes & Harlington Group as the appropriate routeing points for such a journey, limiting you to travel via London or via the Central Line to Greenford, then West Ealing.

It also fails the shortest route test. The route via London is 58 miles, that via Banbury is 97 miles.

 

[LexyBoy]

It also fails the shortest route test. The route via London is 58 miles, that via Banbury is 97 miles.

Did you really need to calculate the mileages?

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Looking on NRE just now, it's not giving any fares for Haddenham - West Drayton via Oxford, though it's claiming a Travelcard is valid to go Haddenham - Banbury - Reading - West Drayton.

This is what I get, asking for a day return

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/HDM/WDT/tomorrow/0800/dep/tomorrow/1000/dep

The Off Peak Travelcard wouldn't be valid via Marylebone for trains arriving before 10.00 am.

Three routes quoted, two of them via Oxford. All with the same Anytime and Travelcard price.

The Greenford route gives a cheaper price, but no through ticket, not even a Travelcard.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...rrow/0800/dep/tomorrow/1000/dep?via=Greenford

 

[OwlMan]

This is what I get, asking for a day return

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/HDM/WDT/tomorrow/0800/dep/tomorrow/1000/dep

The Off Peak Travelcard wouldn't be valid via Marylebone for trains arriving before 10.00 am.

Three routes quoted, two of them via Oxford. All with the same Anytime and Travelcard price.

The Greenford route gives a cheaper price, but no through ticket, not even a Travelcard.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servi...rrow/0800/dep/tomorrow/1000/dep?via=Greenford

But there are no fares quoted for the via Oxford routes - both say no fare available after you click on details.

 

[kieron]

I couldn't get any of the booking engines to do this though, so it may not be possible to book a ticket with this itinerary

The first site I tried was Chiltern's, and it came up straight away when I clicked the "buy ticket" option on NRE with them selected. I haven't tried Chiltern's own journey planner.

But there are no fares quoted for the via Oxford routes - both say no fare available after you click on details.

It works for me - I could even get the a list of valid routes up with the link MarlowDonkey provided. It crashed Firefox when I asked to view all valid routes, but that may just be because it's a Travelcard.

One thing you could try is to delete any cookies you have from nationalrail.co.uk and then try again. It does sometimes confuse itself, and that could help.

I wouldn't feel confident explaining why this was a valid route if it wasn't listed as valid on a journey planner, though. In NeilWatson's position, I'd get a screenshot or printout of a page which shows the ticket and route now. I'd then be able to use it to demonstrate what was on offer around the time I bought the ticket.

 

[CyrusWuff]

Now I'm home, I'm still seeing no fares for the "via Oxford" routes, and the expected £27.70 Off-Peak Day Return for routes via London. This is in a new browser session with cookies cleared. Similarly, I can't persuade WebTIS to show any fares via Oxford either.

Mind you, I still have yet to be convinced that you can choose an arbitrary Zone 6 station (as opposed to one on the direct line of route) for routeing purposes with "out-boundary" Travelcards with no requirement to purchase an extension...but that's for a different thread entirely.

 

[LexyBoy]

[...]as opposed to one on the direct line of route[...]

Line of route to where?

Seriously though, in most cases where you're choosing an "arbitrary" Z6 station (which may actually be where you wish to travel to) the route will either be an entirely reasonable one, or one which entails travel across London - which is the case here, the only permitted routes from HDM and WDT being via London...

 

[kieron]

Now I'm home, I'm still seeing no fares for the "via Oxford" routes, and the expected £27.70 Off-Peak Day Return for routes via London. This is in a new browser session with cookies cleared. Similarly, I can't persuade WebTIS to show any fares via Oxford either.

I don't know, then, it could be anything. For all I know, NRE could be sending subtly different versions of the site to different IP addresses.

When I loaded the 1st link in the post yesterday, it gave me a choice of routes via Marylebone, routes via Banbury and routes via Islip. If I selected "with Travelcard", I could only select the routes via Marylebone or Banbury.

The link doesn't work the same today, I assume because of a different service pattern on Saturdays. Replacing "tomorrow" with "monday" should make it work, though.