Vectron Numbering

[Richard Scott]

Can anyone shed any light on the apparent numbering of Vectrons (193s)? Seems to be very few low numbered ones yet I've seen 193999!
Obviously they didn't start at 001 and go upwards; any reason why not?
As an aside DB's 245s seem to have a gap from around 028 to 035, assume they were a possible order but haven't been delivered yet or were cancelled?

 

[Gloster]

The German (Deutsch) Wikipedia has a more complete list than the English. It will help if you have some knowledge of German.

 

[43096]

Can anyone shed any light on the apparent numbering of Vectrons (193s)? Seems to be very few low numbered ones yet I've seen 193999!
Obviously they didn't start at 001 and go upwards; any reason why not?

It is rather random, and is also tied in with the LZB signalling numbers. 193001-200 were reserved as LZB numbers for ÖBB Vectrons, which is why they weren't seen until recently. The LZB system has now been upgraded to allow 7-digit numbers, so 193001-200 are now being filled: for example 193086 upwards are being used for Railpool's large order that is being delivered currently.

As an aside DB's 245s seem to have a gap from around 028 to 035, assume they were a possible order but haven't been delivered yet or were cancelled?

245028-034 were ordered by DB Fernverkehr around the same time as DB Regio ordered 245035-037 (which have been delivered and are in service). However, due to Bombardier's chronic inability to get them working (particularly the ETCS), DB have now cancelled the order and instead ordered Vectron electro-diesels from Siemens. The cancelled locos have been built, so presumably Alstom are now looking for a buyer.

The original contract for the 245s was a 200-loco framework contract (which is why the separate order for Hamburg to Westerland regional services are numbered 245201 upwards). I think it is safe to say DB won't be ordering any more, though!

 

[DanielB]

The Dutch Wikipedia also has a list of which variant is numbered in which class. Class 193 just consists of the Vectron MS / AC, Class 192 is the Smarton, Class 247 = Vectron DE, Class 248 = Vectron DM and Class 249 Vectron DM light. Further the Vectron MS is class 383 in the Czech Republic and the Vectron DC class 170 in Poland.

When I see the list of locomotives on the German Wikipedia the last three numbers appear to be a serial number which is not dependant on the exact variant of the Vectron, so the high numbered 193s are there because apparently the lower numbered locomotives were other variants.
The 1000th Vectron was delivered in 2020, so makes sense you've seen a xxx.999

 

[Richard Scott]

I found a page on the Vectron and explains there are different variants but no specific breakdown of the numbering that I could find. Any links to the pages you found please as I may be looking at the wrong one. No issues if in German as can read it pretty well.

 

[popeter45]

would love to know specs of each one as curious about OBB's order for the new Nightjets, will they be 230km/h capable?

 

[DanielB]

I found a page on the Vectron and explains there are different variants but no specific breakdown of the numbering that I could find. Any links to the pages you found please as I may be looking at the wrong one. No issues if in German as can read it pretty well.

The Dutch Wikipedia-page which breaks down the different variants into their different class numbers: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Vectron
And the German Wikipedia-page which has a list of customers with full numbers (including quite a few low numbered ones: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Vectron

 

[Richard Scott]

The Dutch Wikipedia-page which breaks down the different variants into their different class numbers: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Vectron
And the German Wikipedia-page which has a list of customers with full numbers (including quite a few low numbered ones: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_Vectron

Thanks, that's what I was looking for, although no real explanation of numbering system.

It is rather random, and is also tied in with the LZB signalling numbers. 193001-200 were reserved as LZB numbers for ÖBB Vectrons, which is why they weren't seen until recently. The LZB system has now been upgraded to allow 7-digit numbers, so 193001-200 are now being filled: for example 193086 upwards are being used for Railpool's large order that is being delivered currently.

245028-034 were ordered by DB Fernverkehr around the same time as DB Regio ordered 245035-037 (which have been delivered and are in service). However, due to Bombardier's chronic inability to get them working (particularly the ETCS), DB have now cancelled the order and instead ordered Vectron electro-diesels from Siemens. The cancelled locos have been built, so presumably Alstom are now looking for a buyer.

The original contract for the 245s was a 200-loco framework contract (which is why the separate order for Hamburg to Westerland regional services are numbered 245201 upwards). I think it is safe to say DB won't be ordering any more, though!

Thanks for the info, very helpful.

 

[TRXsouth]

Many thanks to DanielB for the links to the Dutch and German Wikipaedia pages - a lot of very interesting Vectron information.
One aspect continues to intrigue me - does anyone know what are the specific issues that prevent the registration and acceptance of the Vectron for use in France (in particular, plus also Luxembourg and Spain)?

 

[Richard Scott]

Many thanks to DanielB for the links to the Dutch and German Wikipaedia pages - a lot of very interesting Vectron information.
One aspect continues to intrigue me - does anyone know what are the specific issues that prevent the registration and acceptance of the Vectron for use in France (in particular, plus also Luxembourg and Spain)?

Assume only Medway Vectrons could work into Spain due to gauge anyway?

 

[ABB125]

does anyone know what are the specific issues that prevent the registration and acceptance of the Vectron for use in France

They're built by Siemens in Germany? (Rather than a French manufacturer)

 

[Richard Scott]

They're built by Siemens in Germany? (Rather than a French manufacturer)

Plenty of Vossloh locos can run in France!

 

[popeter45]

Many thanks to DanielB for the links to the Dutch and German Wikipaedia pages - a lot of very interesting Vectron information.
One aspect continues to intrigue me - does anyone know what are the specific issues that prevent the registration and acceptance of the Vectron for use in France (in particular, plus also Luxembourg and Spain)?

i assume they havent tried gettting acceptence in france yet as nobody ordered it there yet?
would be cool of if DB ordered some to replace the 92's so could have single loco freight from most of europe to Dagenham

 

[43096]

Assume only Medway Vectrons could work into Spain due to gauge anyway?

Medway don’t have any Vectrons (yet) as far as I know.

 

[Richard Scott]

Medway don’t have any Vectrons (yet) as far as I know.

Oh, thought they did. The 4700 series locos aren't Vectrons then? If not my mistake.

 

[43096]

Oh, thought they did. The 4700 series locos aren't Vectrons then? If not my mistake.

No - they're EuroSprinters, just with the TSI-compliant cab that was used on the Vectrons. The Belgian 18 and 19 series are the same.

 

[Richard Scott]

No - they're EuroSprinters, just with the TSI-compliant cab that was used on the Vectrons. The Belgian 18 and 19 series are the same.

Ok, thanks. The looks had me fooled!

 

[ABB125]

(Borrowing this thread for a slightly different question.)

Some time last year, I found a website which had a list of which Vectron signalling packages covered which countries (and it might have also listed which Vectrons had which package, but I can't remember). However, now I can't find it. Does anyone know where I can find a list like this? Thanks

 

[43096]

(Borrowing this thread for a slightly different question.)

Some time last year, I found a website which had a list of which Vectron signalling packages covered which countries (and it might have also listed which Vectrons had which package, but I can't remember). However, now I can't find it. Does anyone know where I can find a list like this? Thanks

I think there's a list on Railcolor (https://railcolornews.com/) but you'd need to be a subscriber to see it, I believe.

 

[Snow1964]

Piggybacking on the Vectron Thread

Railpool has a new framework agreement for upto 250 locomotives and has ordered 70. (24 ac and dc multi-system and 46 ac versions). Siemens saying takes it upto 2400 Vectrons with 96 operators in 17 countries

LEASING company Railpool and Siemens Mobility announced on February 20 the signing of a framework agreement for Siemens to supply up to 250 Vectron electric locomotives.

Railpool has immediately called off a batch of 70 Vectrons, comprising 24 multi-system locomotives for operation on both ac and dc electrified networks, and 46 ac locomotives intended to operate in the Scandinavian corridor, as well as in the Germany, Austria and Switzerland (DACH) region.

The order takes the Railpool Vectron fleet to a total of 228 locomotives. The framework agreement includes Vectron variants that can operate in up to 16 countries, equipped with national train protection systems as well as ETCS.

The locomotives for Railpool have an output of 6.4MW and, depending on the variant, a maximum speed of up to 230km/h. The Vectron design is currently approved to operate in 20 European countries.

Siemens says that the first call-off from Railpool brings total Vectron sales to over 2400 locomotives supplied to 96 customers in 17 countries.

Railpool signs framework for 250 Siemens Vectron locomotives

Leasing company Railpool and Siemens Mobility have announced the signing of a framework agreement for Siemens to supply up to 250 Vectron locomotives.

www.railjournal.com