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Was steam intended to finish in 1968 when the modernisation plan was announced, or was it expected to last longer?

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The decision was taken in 1955 to replace all steam locomotives with diesel and electric traction, but the modernisation plan does not seem to have a target date to finish steam completely. When did it become widely known that 1968 would be the last year of steam?
 
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I don’t think 1968 wasn’t planned as the finishing date for steam, I think it just may have came about rather more quickly than planned.
I think some of the Standards (9F’s maybe) were due to continue in traffic until about 1990. I think certain managers got rather carried away with having new toys to play with maybe?
 

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When did it become widely known that 1968 would be the last year of steam?
1967.
Some thought it would be done by April 1968.

The Modernisation plan didn’t recommend whole scrapping and wasting of near brand new assets. Steam was meant to finish naturally as electrification progressed, and diesels were supposed to fill the gaps.

A good example would be to look at Eastern Europe, much steam died off from the 1980’s until 1990’s.

Rebuilding of Bulleid pacifics was meant to see them running until 1980.
The gap of a 74xxx was because there was planned to be more than 1000 Std 5’s.
What happened in 1968 is a kin to what is happening today with wholesle unaccountable wasting of 91/319/365/442/455/456/769 etc.

Doubtless 379’s will be discussed someday like Britannias.
Class 769’s compared to class 29’s.
 
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I suspect that the end of steam may have come about earlier than originally anticipated due to the chronic shortage of staff required to clean, fire and wash-out this very labour-intensive type of traction....together with increasingly difficulties in obtaining the required quantity of good quality steam coal caused by the gradual run-down of the mining industry.
 

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Possibly not so much shortage of staff as low wages and size of wage bill. Though steam seems evocative I don't think many firemen and cleaners were too unhappy at it's demise. And no one made a real success of oil, pulverised coal, or mechanical firing.
 

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Possibly not so much shortage of staff as low wages and size of wage bill. Though steam seems evocative I don't think many firemen and cleaners were too unhappy at it's demise. And no one made a real success of oil, pulverised coal, or mechanical firing.

And you had all those back-breaking, filthy and thoroughly unpleasant jobs: coaling, shovelling ash, repairing boilers while they were still ‘warm’, etc. Meanwhile the swinging ‘60s were happening outside.

I believe that it was intended that as steam declined, it would be increasingly concentrated in a limited number of areas, particularly ones where coal was king. They would mainly be used on slow goods and shunting duties.
 

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Beeching. In hindsight it is glaringly obvious that there should not have been a Modernisation Plan without an accompanying Reshaping Report. It's also important to note that BR's common carrier status was only abolished in 1962, by the same Act that replaced the BTC and created the BRB, which quickly led to massive reductions in freight volumes. Ultimately it was a failing of the post-WW2 Labour Government in only doing the bare minimum regarding rail policy, ie nationalisation made little practical difference to management of the railways which carried on in very much the same way as always.

And things haven't changed much even now: health and education get the attention with transport policy all too often being a political afterthought.
 

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When did it become widely known that 1968 would be the last year of steam?

1967.
Some thought it would be done by April 1968.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Beeching.
The National Traction Plan followed on from the implementation of the Beeching Report and it was approved by the BR Board in February 1965.

The original deadline for end of steam in National Traction Plan was indeed end 1967.

The delay to August 1968 was mainly caused by the low availability of Sulzer powered Type 4s because of power unit problems in that period.
 

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The rapid contraction of the network from 1961 onwards (with Beeching cuts from 1963) eliminated many steam-worked lines before they could be converted to diesel.
BR had bought too many suburban DMUs so put them on long-distance lines to eliminate steam and the old LHCS that went with them (eg Manchester-Holyhead).
Freight was declining rapidly as well, leading to abandonment of local steam depots with diesels working in from further afield.
So the end of steam can rather quickly at the finish.
1968 was also the date when Barbara Castle's railway act provided the passenger railway with specific subsidies for social purposes.
 

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I have the book Memoirs of a Railway Engineer by Edgar J Larkin who worked on a lot of the BR Standard designs. From memory Larkin observed that while the standards were being produced, steam was expected to last into the 1980s, but it seems unlikely that with a huge number of steam locos both built by BR and its predecessors on hand that any formal date for the end of steam had been adopted. It probably isn't until the Beeching era that it became clear that traffic would be shed at such a rate, that the railway would soon have enough modern traction to be rid of steam fairly rapidly. In the event, the decline was so rapid that it did not just enable steam to be jettisoned, but the less successful modernisation plan diesel types as well.

Had the closures not been as dramatic, retaining at least a strategic sense that railways would remain useful and the modernisation plan more measured with longer to find diesel types that lived up to expectations of efficiency and reliability, then a trajectory more reminiscent of that in West Germany might have been the eventual outcome, with more modern steam classes persisting until the mid to late 1970s, but their poor labour efficiency in a world of high wage inflation would have brought about the end sooner rather than later as it did across the rest of Europe. The same process occurred in China more recently, where similarly large numbers of standard QJ, JS and SY steam loco types built in the 1980s in a coal rich nation with cheap labour, had virtually disappeared by around 2005 (apart from a few lingering mining operations) as labour costs (and pollution concerns) have risen.

Where steam persisted for longer in Europe, for example in Poland, this was probably the result of a combination of almost no funds for investment in renewals, coupled with a continued political requirement not to close anything, so low traffic lines simply had to carry on with what they had. Once line closures started in the early 1990s, steam dissappeared here too in just a few years. In East Germany, the narrow gauge lines survived just long enough to become (at least partially) heritage driven operations (as did the Wolysztn steam depot in Poland).
 
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I have the book Memoirs of a Railway Engineer by Edgar J Larkin who worked on a lot of the BR Standard designs. From memory Larkin observed that while the standards were being produced, steam was expected to last into the 1980s, but it seems unlikely that with a huge number of steam locos both built by BR and its predecessors on hand that any formal date for the end of steam had been adopted. It probably isn't until the Beeching era that it became clear that traffic would be shed at such a rate, that the railway would soon have enough modern traction to be rid of steam fairly rapidly. In the event, the decline was so rapid that it did not just enable steam to be jettisoned, but the less successful modernisation plan diesel types as well.

Had the closures not been as dramatic, retaining at least a strategic sense that railways would remain useful and the modernisation plan more measured with longer to find diesel types that lived up to expectations of efficiency and reliability, then a trajectory more reminiscent of that in West Germany might have been the eventual outcome, with more modern steam classes persisting until the mid to late 1970s, but their poor labour efficiency in a world of high wage inflation would have brought about the end sooner rather than later as it did across the rest of Europe. The same process occurred in China more recently, where similarly large numbers of standard QJ, JS and SY steam loco types built in the 1980s in a coal rich nation with cheap labour, had virtually disappeared by around 2005 (apart from a few lingering mining operations) as labour costs (and pollution concerns) have risen.

Where steam persisted for longer in Europe, for example in Poland, this was probably the result of a combination of almost no funds for investment in renewals, coupled with a continued political requirement not to close anything, so low traffic lines simply had to carry on with what they had. Once line closures started in the early 1990s, steam dissappeared here too in just a few years. In East Germany, the narrow gauge lines survived just long enough to become (at least partially) heritage driven operations (as did the Wolysztn steam depot in Poland).
Yes - from distant memory of the 1950s, when the modernisation plan was announced, it was predicted that steam would last until the mid-1970s.
Marples/Beeching changed everything.

Even in Spring 1968, some of us were wondering if there would be enough reliable diesels to replace all the steam-worked freights in that year.
 

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I have the book Memoirs of a Railway Engineer by Edgar J Larkin who worked on a lot of the BR Standard designs. From memory Larkin observed that while the standards were being produced, steam was expected to last into the 1980s, but it seems unlikely that with a huge number of steam locos both built by BR and its predecessors on hand that any formal date for the end of steam had been adopted. It probably isn't until the Beeching era that it became clear that traffic would be shed at such a rate, that the railway would soon have enough modern traction to be rid of steam fairly rapidly. In the event, the decline was so rapid that it did not just enable steam to be jettisoned, but the less successful modernisation plan diesel types as well.

Had the closures not been as dramatic, retaining at least a strategic sense that railways would remain useful and the modernisation plan more measured with longer to find diesel types that lived up to expectations of efficiency and reliability, then a trajectory more reminiscent of that in West Germany might have been the eventual outcome, with more modern steam classes persisting until the mid to late 1970s, but their poor labour efficiency in a world of high wage inflation would have brought about the end sooner rather than later as it did across the rest of Europe. The same process occurred in China more recently, where similarly large numbers of standard QJ, JS and SY steam loco types built in the 1980s in a coal rich nation with cheap labour, had virtually disappeared by around 2005 (apart from a few lingering mining operations) as labour costs (and pollution concerns) have risen.

Where steam persisted for longer in Europe, for example in Poland, this was probably the result of a combination of almost no funds for investment in renewals, coupled with a continued political requirement not to close anything, so low traffic lines simply had to carry on with what they had. Once line closures started in the early 1990s, steam dissappeared here too in just a few years. In East Germany, the narrow gauge lines survived just long enough to become (at least partially) heritage driven operations (as did the Wolysztn steam depot in Poland).
One of the big pushes behind the demise of steam in China was the wish of promote a modern image for the olympics
 

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I read somewhere that the rebuild programme of the SR Bulleid Pacifics from chain drive to Walschaerts valve operation was costed on the basis of the locomotives being in service until the 1980s
 

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1975 for the Bulleid Pacifics. The Irwell Press books for both classes has the relevant financial details, year by year.
 
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I recall a TV program in the mid 50s reporting the Modernisation program and it reported that the end of steam would be 30 years however 13 years later all gone.
 

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I just can't imagine having steam knocking about in the 80's, let alone the 90's. Would have looked so incredibly out of place, and made even the blue diesels look pristine in comparison!
 
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