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Wells Running Day 2019/2020

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Discussion of the running day on service 376 Bristol-Wells 2019

I was going to call this 'Confessions of an amateur bus driver' so I'd better give some context to that remark. I’ve never worked as a bus driver and wouldn’t be able to cope with the requirements of dealing with what they have to deal with every day. However I agreed with my wife that I’d take the PCV test before buying my ‘plaything’ (AFM103G Bristol RE) so I’ve held the licence for many years however my ‘experience’ level isn’t wonderful!

The old Winchester running days were always a pleasant diversion after the excesses of Christmas however planning something like that in winter is a nightmare (I’ve failed to turn up twice because of last minute problems) so the Wells running days have been a useful substitute. Obviously the slight downside is the inability to ‘celebrate’ the new year the night before. I’ve actually been randomly stopped for a breath test by the police when I was driving the coach which, the guy admitted, was just because he liked the idea of stopping an old coach; however still a vital check.

I managed to arrive early for my turn from Bristol so parked up and managed to capture the previous departure. This was slightly compromised by somebody deciding to wander around the manoeuvring area in an attempt to catch it! The driver, correctly, ignored them (other than to avoid running them over of course) and the bus station supervisor dealt with them however this kind of thing isn’t helpful when it comes to negotiating access for running days like this.

The first part of the route had been closed by the police owing to some people’s idea of new year festivities which meant passengers missed out on the sound of Bristol REs running through the ‘tunnel’ in Fairfax Street which also meant one of the possible pickup stops was inaccessible.

The runs I did were fairly busy, one I did last year was almost full however that was an earlier one out of Wells. The majority of the public interest was at the Wells end and there appeared to have been quite a bit of local publicity for it, however quite a few of the passengers I picked up (from the villages) weren’t aware of it which suggests there may have been a few annoyed punters without the event (which, I assume, must happen in lots of other places as well). The mix appeared to be slightly lower on the general public side and up on the enthusiast side however that was just perception on my runs

Running into Bristol I was hoping for few takers as First were running service 2 and (with things like contactless and concession cards) it takes even longer to pick somebody up and explain that they don’t have to pay than it does to charge them! However several old dears managed to negotiate the multiple high steps only to be confused by the lack of a black box they could swipe their card against. I did manage to miss one stop as, clearly, people have forgotten about the idea of indicating to the driver that they want to use the bus and I wasn’t going to do an emergency stop for somebody who could just catch the next First bus!

Wells was fairly quiet however they did have one public toilet open (Hidden away in Union Street if anybody needs it in future) plus a pasty shop which covered my, minimal, requirements.

The downside with the 376 is the number of hills, and my toy doesn’t like hills! However it does like the flat bits between the hills. It’s also a reminder of how dangerous parts of the road used to be; Green Ore crossroads used to be frequently mentioned on the news when I was young because of the numerous crashes (as it’s got long, straight roads heading to it from all directions), a problem that nearly disappeared once somebody had the bright idea of putting some traffic lights on it.
 
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Good idea Carl to separate this from the main thread, and pleased to hear your old girl is still going strong. To be fair, your machine was designed for the open roads of the M6/M1, belting down from Liverpool so can imagine it was best of the flatter open roads! Looks lovely and kudos to you for keeping her in such good shape. I would love to preserve a bus and whilst I might have the funds, I probably haven't the time or skills!

I couldn't make it (I have other competing interests - not least my better half) but glad other people enjoyed themselves as well as yourself. Just a shame when enthusiasts wander where and when they shouldn't!
 

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I've always regretted never using the 376 when I was a student at Bristol, and lived in Hengrove just off the Wells Road, and it was run by REs. Late 1984 was the time, and Bristol Citybus was a nightmare to use, mostly because of the diabolical traffic. I was probably put off by high minimum fares on the 376 within the Bristol urban area!
 
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I travelled down to Wells on the LD6G (thanks for the crew for arranging a photo stop at Whitchurch) which was well loaded. I had intended to catch the connecting L to Street, but it was full, so I settled on the duplicating Dennis Dart (T471 JCV) with the hope of getting the L back to Wells. That trip was almost full as well, but I managed to get on. Then back to Bristol on your RELH - a touch of comfort but short on leg room, so I sat at the back by the emergency exit and listened to the engine. A nostalgic day out, and got to ride on a bus that's even older than I am! Thanks to all concerned.
 

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I’ve never worked as a bus driver and wouldn’t be able to cope with the requirements of dealing with what they have to deal with every day. However I agreed with my wife that I’d take the PCV test before buying my ‘plaything’ (AFM103G Bristol RE) so I’ve held the licence for many years however my ‘experience’ level isn’t wonderful!.

As an 'amateur' driver, do you still have to pass the CPC tests?
 

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As an 'amateur' driver, do you still have to pass the CPC tests?
Once you have a licence there is no CPC 'test' as such for driving (there is a CPC test for an operator's licence), just a requirement to keep a record of a certain amount of training up to date once it was introduced. As I don't drive for a living I've never kept it up to date so my licence is only now only valid for none commercial use (so despite having a PCV licence I'm of no use to an operator) and is invalid outside the UK. It was a reason that a lot of part time drivers left the industry when the rules changed as they couldnt justify attending the training courses just to keep a licence they only used to cover when the local operator was short.
 

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It was an excellent day! I did two return runs down to Wells, on an RE and a Lodekka. And between Bristol and Wells gives a really decent distance to experience and enjoy journeys on these classic heritage vehicles! About an hour in each direction. Awesome!

The Quarter Jack being open in Wells for use of the toilets was a godsend! Seeing as all the toilets at Wells bus station were closed!(Well so they appeared when I initially tried them in the morning anyway, but Carlberry confirmed that just one of them was actually kept open).

How many years has this been taking place on New Years Day? I'd never even heard of it before, until I read the recent postings on here about it!

Some interesting observations I made about the people on these buses or observing these buses on the pavement....

- Seems some of the people boarding these buses were just general passengers going to wherever they were going, and were unaware that First were not running the 376 on New Year's Day! I noticed a number of people getting on showing the driver their M-Tickets on their phones!! Errr... these are very much not First buses! No need to show your tickets to board these buses!

- Some people walking about along the way appearing dumbstruck at seeing these old buses! Some people smiling when seeing them too.

- A number of people enjoying seeing these buses and taking photos of them at Wells. And people who didn't look like they were bus enthusiasts!

- On the way back from Wells on the Lodekka, one young woman who was about to board appeared to be baffled at there being no front entrance door to board the bus! But she then managed to find the back entrance door when it opened.

- Again on the way back from Wells on the Lodekka, when it stopped at a bus stop on Wells Road there was a few teenage girls waiting(presumably for a bus into town). But they just laughed at seeing the bus stop there, and didn't board. What's so funny about a Lodekka?!

- Again on the way back from Wells on the Lodekka, it stopped at another bus stop on Wells Road. This time a few teenage boys were waiting(presumably for a bus into town). But they just looked at it slightly baffled, and didn't bother boarding. Despite it saying 376 Bristol on the front of the bus!

- Also on the way back from Wells on the Lodekka, a young man(aged late teens or early 20s) got on and went upstairs. But didn't seem atall interested in this being such an old bus and very unlike the usual First buses. And was just glued to his SmartPhone for the entire journey!


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A fantastic heritage running day! And a shame it only takes place just ONCE a year! I look forward to hopefully enjoying this again next year if I can.
 

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The Quarter Jack being open in Wells for use of the toilets was a godsend! Seeing as all the toilets at Wells bus station were closed!(Well so they appeared when I initially tried them in the morning anyway, but Carlberry confirmed that just one of them was actually kept open).
Not the bus station, the ones in Union Street. However future openings are likely to be subject to Somerset county council finances!
 

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- Also on the way back from Wells on the Lodekka, a young man(aged late teens or early 20s) got on and went upstairs. But didn't seem atall interested in this being such an old bus and very unlike the usual First buses. And was just glued to his SmartPhone for the entire journey!

I didn't realise anybody under 30 ever looked up from a smart phone?
 

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How many years has this been taking place on New Years Day? I'd never even heard of it before, until I read the recent postings on here about it!
This was the second one at New Year that I'm aware of. There was a one off Wells running day a few years back however it was mid year and only covered a few local services.
 

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A fantastic heritage running day! And a shame it only takes place just ONCE a year! I look forward to hopefully enjoying this again next year if I can.
There are small events that the BVBG organise that includes runs in various Bristol vehicles from Flower's Hill some of which can go decent distances. The group appears to be even more reluctant to update it's website than ever however this years's dates are reported to be 31st March and 27th October.
 

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As an 'amateur' driver, do you still have to pass the CPC tests?
The rules are quite complicated but there’s no requirement to hold a CPC to drive a bus or coach “not for hire or reward” so free heritage bus services run for events and rallies typically don’t fall under the criteria. People who obtained their Category D (or D1, or D+E) entitlement before September 2008 don’t have to sit the four initial CPC modules but do have to complete 35hrs training every 5 years. Those who obtained a Category D/D1/D+E entitlement after September 2008 need to pass the CPC modules as well as undertaking the ongoing 35hrs training requirement. If you obtained your Cat D/D1/D+E licence after that date but haven’t sat the modules then your licence would be endorsed accordingly (restriction code 101 “Not for hire or reward”). Incidentally as long as you passed your Category B test before December 2012 you can drive a bus as long as it is 30 or more years old, though you are not allowed to carry more than 8 passengers.
 
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There are small events that the BVBG organise that includes runs in various Bristol vehicles from Flower's Hill some of which can go decent distances. The group appears to be even more reluctant to update it's website than ever however this years's dates are reported to be 31st March and 27th October.

Yes I know about that one. I went to it once about 4 or 5 years ago, and didn't think much of it to be honest. No programme/timetable available of the bus services. Long waits of up to 30, 45 minutes or more for a service going out. Then you have to ask the driver where the bus is going. Then not really anywhere suitable to sit/stand and wait for buses to go on - frequently having to move out of the way when a bus comes in or goes out. So not as good as the old Bristol Harbourside and Brislington Park & Ride running days.
 

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It appears there will be a repeat of this event on 1st Jan 2020. Roughly the same kind of thing as before with a few more journeys between Street and Wells. Proper details nearer the time (as loads of things will change by then!), however at least you know the date now!
 

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It appears there will be a repeat of this event on 1st Jan 2020. Roughly the same kind of thing as before with a few more journeys between Street and Wells. Proper details nearer the time (as loads of things will change by then!), however at least you know the date now!

There is now a timetable circulating for this however the main site (http://www.bristolbusevents.co.uk/) hasn't been updated yet so I've added a page to a site I own:
https://bristol-re.co.uk/wells.htm
Some journeys will be duplicated.
No vehicle details yet, other than the 0915 and 1145 from Bristol and 1030 from Wells are quite likely to include a Crosville RELH!
 

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I did a few journeys on this today. But disappointed that it turned out to be somewhat different to what was on the website. I was SO looking forward to a decent run on a Leyland National on the 0945 Bristol-Wells. But it turned out to be a Volvo B10M coach operating this service! This wasn't as special as a Leyland National! I was also really looking forward to some runs on a Bristol VR from Wells at 1121 to Glastonbury then on the 1209 from Glastonbury all the way to Bristol. But it turned out to be a Bristol RE. Not as disappointing as a Volvo B10M coach instead of a Leyland National. I do love Bristol RE's, but I was looking forward to the Bristol VR really as not been one of those for a few years or so now.

The timetable was also different. Was supposed to be every half hour between Bristol and Wells between 1015 and 1315. But as I discovered when I turned up at Bristol post station, there were timetables posted up which were different and it turned out to be only every hour from 1015, with two buses running at the same time. Also confusingly at Wells bus station the different timetable from the website was posted up on the bus stops!

Still overall pretty good though. And well done to the owners of these vehicles for giving up their time to take part in this running day.
 

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I have a soft spot for van hool coaches so after riding an Re down to Wells spent the rest of the day riding Wells to Bristol, Bristol-Street and then Street to Bristol on that coach.
 

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The event's website was never updated with vehicle allocations as they kept on changing and the organisers felt it was best not to give out the information as it always ends up with people moaning about things not turning up, they prefer people moaning that they cant find out what's running. As I said the version I supplied was what existed in mid December.

I don't know what timetable was in Bristol bus station as the only one they had in the morning was my copy that I had to give them!

There would have been gaps in the service as at least two of the vehicles that started running had gone AWOL within the first couple of hours which is the kind of thing that cant be communicated as the majority of people involved in organising the event also drive during the day, extra volunteers are always useful!

On the one run that I managed I was surprised by the number of young ladies, dressed in inappropriate clothing for the winter, that I managed to pick up. However my vehicle got very flustered by the whole thing and overheated!
 

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The event's website was never updated with vehicle allocations as they kept on changing and the organisers felt it was best not to give out the information as it always ends up with people moaning about things not turning up, they prefer people moaning that they cant find out what's running. As I said the version I supplied was what existed in mid December.

I don't know what timetable was in Bristol bus station as the only one they had in the morning was my copy that I had to give them!

There would have been gaps in the service as at least two of the vehicles that started running had gone AWOL within the first couple of hours which is the kind of thing that cant be communicated as the majority of people involved in organising the event also drive during the day, extra volunteers are always useful!

On the one run that I managed I was surprised by the number of young ladies, dressed in inappropriate clothing for the winter, that I managed to pick up. However my vehicle got very flustered by the whole thing and overheated!

Just your RE overheated???
 
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