West Yorkshire Daysaver

[bennorthyork]

I’m looking at getting a West Yorkshire Family Day Saver on Monday.

Ticket restriction:
‘Tickets are not valid on services Monday to Friday between 16:01 and 18:29.’

Does that mean I can’t board trains between these times or can’t be on a train between those times? So could I board 15.54 Leeds to Micklefield arriving at 16.11?

Thanks

 

[jfollows]

See https://www.brfares.com/!roverdetail?nlc=K700&rvr=DFY

Not valid on trains timed to depart after 04:29 and before 09:30 or after 16:00 and before 18:30.

The restriction after 16:00 and before 18:30 includes any connecting train departing during this period (or re-commencing your journey following a break of journey) within the following areas:

• Transport for Greater Manchester area plus Alderley Edge, Birchwood, Burscough Bridge, Disley, Handforth, Hoscar, New Mills Central, New Mills Newtown, Padgate, Parbold, Styal, Warrington Bank Quay, Warrington Central, and Wilmslow;
• Travel South Yorkshire area plus, Darton, Denby Dale, Moorthorpe and South Elmsall;
• West Yorkshire Metro area plus Cononley, Harrogate, Hornbeam Park, Knaresborough, Pannal, Skipton, Starbeck and Weeton.

Valid trains can also be checked using the journey planner at www.nationalrail.co.uk

Further information including maps of the restricted areas can be found on the Northern website.

So you can board the 15:54 service. For me, similar restrictions mean I can go home from Manchester to Wilmslow on the 15:55 service, even though it arrives in Wilmslow at 16:10.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Does that mean I can’t board trains between these times or can’t be on a train between those times? So could I board 15.54 Leeds to Micklefield arriving at 16.11?

Precisely that. Travel on the 1554 from Leeds to Micklefield would be fine, but not, for example, the 1616 from Leeds to Micklefield. Also, if you do travel on the 1554 and decide to alight/break your journey at an intermediate station, say, East Garforth, you can't then board a later train in order to continue to Micklefield for a couple of hours or so, i.e. until after 1829.

 

[TUC]

See https://www.brfares.com/!roverdetail?nlc=K700&rvr=DFY

So you can board the 15:54 service. For me, similar restrictions mean I can go home from Manchester to Wilmslow on the 15:55 service, even though it arrives in Wilmslow at 16:10.

The bit that feels overtly restrictive to me is it not being valid on connecting services. Break of journey is fair enough, but whether you need to change trains is entirely down to how services for the time you want to travel are organised.

 

[jfollows]

The whole afternoon peak thing stinks for a number of reasons:

1. Northern or its pet Carlisle Security make up the rules and decide that restrictions apply to tickets which are excluded
2. Northern or its pet Carlisle Security issue Penalty Fares to people they decide are travelling in the peak on tickets which aren't valid
3. The same train, which leaves its origin before 4pm, becomes invalid to off-peak tickets later in its journey, which is just silly. I caught an afternoon service Manchester Airport to Wilmslow once without thinking and - fortunately - didn't have my ticket checked, but if I'd boarded the same train at Manchester Piccadilly it would have been valid
4. The connecting services bit is annoying also, I agree

Because of the hassle of (2), having to upgrade or - even worse - incorrectly getting a Penalty Fare, I tend not to bother with a cheap day return if I think I might be returning in the expensive hours, for £1.25 extra I can do without the hassle. But this is, of course, just what Northern wants, more money.

 

[Haywain]

The same train, which leaves its origin before 4pm, becomes invalid to off-peak tickets later in its journey, which is just silly. I caught an afternoon service Manchester Airport to Wilmslow once without thinking and - fortunately - didn't have my ticket checked, but if I'd boarded the same train at Manchester Piccadilly it would have been valid

This happens all across the country because it is tickets that are restricted, not trains.

 

[Spartacus]

Because of the hassle of (2), having to upgrade or - even worse - incorrectly getting a Penalty Fare, I tend not to bother with a cheap day return if I think I might be returning in the expensive hours, for £1.25 extra I can do without the hassle. But this is, of course, just what Northern wants, more money.

I find this a lot as well. Even if I know there's a high probability of returning before 1600 there's a good chance I'll fork out for an anytime just in case. Because the evening peak fares don't apply if you're travelling to or from outside west Yorkshire it can be cheaper to travel further and get an off peak fare, while passengers who don't realise this can end up paying quite a bit more for an anytime fare when they could have bought an off-peak one.

It's not really Northern's fault as it was forced on them in exchange for investment, we'd probably have 144es instead of 195s otherwise, but I still don't like it, or how it's been done.

 

[toffeedanish]

For completeness, the afternoon peak does not apply to bus travel, so it may be possible for some users to travel between 16:00 and 18:30 by switching modes.