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What constitutes a "good service"?

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Jamiescott1

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I travel with GWR daily and always check their app to see if my journey will be disrupted.

The app currently says "there is a good service across our network" but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service.

I've also seen a good service being declared when there was no peak GWR services calling at Maidenhead.
 
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I travel with GWR daily and always check their app to see if my journey will be disrupted.

The app currently says "there is a good service across our network" but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service.

I've also seen a good service being declared when there was no peak GWR services calling at Maidenhead.
I would suggest, no cancellations and everything within 5 minutes of right time. For London Underground, normal journey lengths once on the train and intervals between trains no greater than 1 minute more than planned for that time of day.
 

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I travel with GWR daily and always check their app to see if my journey will be disrupted.

The app currently says "there is a good service across our network" but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service.

I've also seen a good service being declared when there was no peak GWR services calling at Maidenhead.
I've seen a definition of this as being "less than 5% of services are cancelled or severely delayed". I can't remember where, unfortunately. Might have been VWC when they existed...
 

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I've seen a definition of this as being "less than 5% of services are cancelled or severely delayed". I can't remember where, unfortunately. Might have been VWC when they existed...

That's a pretty naff description of good
94% are running, possibly delayed, but not severe delayed

Mediocre or rather poor would seem more appropriate for that level of (not) running anything like on time
 

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I travel with GWR daily and always check their app to see if my journey will be disrupted.

The app currently says "there is a good service across our network" but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service.

I've also seen a good service being declared when there was no peak GWR services calling at Maidenhead.
In terms of what the app will actually call a good service, irrespective of if it’s the correct definition, it’ll say that unless a disruption incident has been created. So effectively unless enough trains are being cancelled for the same reason.

Regarding the Didcots being cancelled that is due to the track temperatures. It could be they haven’t had time to publish anything yet, but also control could’ve decided the fairly minimal disruption so far is covered by the blanket notice from Network Rail. (They probably don’t even know the app will be showing good service).
 

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TfL invented the term as a means of dealing with the classic jokes around a "normal service" meaning a terrible one. It just means no major disruption.
 

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That's a pretty naff description of good
94% are running, possibly delayed, but not severe delayed

Mediocre or rather poor would seem more appropriate for that level of (not) running anything like on time

For the purposes of giving a broad overview when planning a trip, which is what these classifications are for, if there’s a 94% chance the train is running and not severely delayed - “good” as distinct from “problems reported”, “major disruption” etc. seems a perfectly adequate description.

Good also doesn’t mean perfect, or that every single train is precisely on time, which is presumably what you think it should mean in this context.
 
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TfL invented the term as a means of dealing with the classic jokes around a "normal service" meaning a terrible one. It just means no major disruption.

There'a actually a considerable amount of service criteria (headways, tph, cancellations etc vs the booked service pattern of the impacted area) which trigger the thresholds from Good > Minor > Severe. For instance an Underground line might have lots of trains technically 20-30 late, but if they are running at decent intervals and no terminating/starting short then it would be a Good Service.

Some TOCs have taken this on too, but it doesn't seem as well defined.

The app currently says "there is a good service across our network" but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service.

I've also seen a good service being declared when there was no peak GWR services calling at Maidenhead.

Depends if there's granualar enough detail in how they geographically break down their routes.

Interestingly this doesn't seem to be on their website in any real detail, so appears to be an app-only feature (to try and mimic TfL I would suggest).
 

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This thread seems to indicate that there is no breakdown of areas, service groups or whatever. Not really very useful for such a diverse and widespread network as GWR.
 

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Good service: few delay repay claims to be expected, even cutting the threshold to 10 or 15 minutes.
 

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A good service :D:D is when the train I want to catch actually turns up.
 

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I know the OP refers to GWR but in case it’s of help, here are TfL’s status definitions

Status definitions​

These are the most common ways we describe how our services are running - and what they mean for our customers.

We use these descriptions on the TfL Go appand Stations stops and piers pages, in our Status updates and announcements and at other times when we're talking about how services are running.

This is what they mean.

Good service​

Services are running as we'd expect them to. There may be the occasional short local delay or gap, but we are running as advertised.

Minor delays​

You might have to wait a little longer or your service may take longer to reach its destination. It sometimes means that your journey will be busier than usual, but we don't recommend changing your route.

Severe delays​

Our service is significantly disrupted. You are likely to have to wait, and your journey will take a lot longer than usual. This means your journey is likely to be busy and your service may not travel all the way to its advertised destination.

We recommend taking another route if you can. Where possible, we'll arrange for your ticket to be accepted on London Buses and National Rail at no extra cost.

Suspended and Part suspended​

The line is not running, either for the whole route or part of the route, and you'll need to use another service to finish your journey. Where possible, we will arrange for your ticket to be accepted on London Buses and National Rail at no extra cost.

Planned closure and Part closure​

To keep the network running smoothly, we sometimes need to close all or part of a service for maintenance work or upgrades. Where possible, we will be running a replacement bus service. However, it's often quicker and easier to use an alternative route while the line is closed.

Length of delays​

These service messages don't give the length of time you can expect to be delayed by because the frequency of services varies across different parts of TfL. In some cases, there are services every two minutes while on others, they're every 30 minutes.

This means that when there is disruption, the actual length of the delay will vary. So Minor delays could mean a delay of a few minutes at a central London station, but a longer delay further out on our network.

How long disruption lasts varies - it depends on what's causing it and what we need to do to put things right. That means in most cases we can't accurately predict or tell you how long disruption will last. In cases where we do know the likely duration - like a planned closure - we will tell you.

Other information​

Service status tells you how our services are running. It doesn't include information about accessible travel; quieter times to travel; or station, lift and escalator closures.

For more information about a particular delay, or to find out whether a route or station is quiet, check the TfL Go app or the Stations stops and piers page for the station or pier. Or speak to a member of staff.

 

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A “good service” is a man coming round with the offer of a complimentary G&T and bag of nuts. Anything else is either a “poor service” or the “advertised service”.
 

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Staff and assistant running on time and being helpful and not making up there own rules along the way especially when it goes against the Acciblety travel policy with inaccbile stations

And not being treated like a hinderacne
 

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This thread seems to indicate that there is no breakdown of areas, service groups or whatever. Not really very useful for such a diverse and widespread network as GWR.

Exactly. 'Good service' is useful information if it's being used the way TfL use the phrase: Telling you that a specific line is running broadly normally, and where trains on that line typically run every few minutes, so it's not a huge deal if the odd train is cancelled.

But 'Good service' is almost useless information to most passengers if it's applied to the entire GWR network, . If you're travelling from Marlow to Maidenhead, you simply don't care whether trains between Exeter and Barnstaple are disrupted. But on the other hand, you probably care very deeply if, despite the indicator saying 'good service' (implied: overall), you have to wait an extra hour because the particular train you wanted to catch is cancelled.
 

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Probably that they’re running whatever is timetabled relatively to time. You could have a station with 2 trains a day that has “good service”
 

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but when I check on live train times I see that numerous Didcot stoppers are cancelled. Surely this isn't a good service
Certainly not a good service to Didcot but is a poor service at Didcot enough of a problem to mean that someone in Cardiff or Penzance gets a bad service indicator.

I dont think so.
 

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Certainly not a good service to Didcot but is a poor service at Didcot enough of a problem to mean that someone in Cardiff or Penzance gets a bad service indicator.
Funnily enough actually was still a good service at Didcot, as the stoppers were still running between there and Reading.

The disruption was rather for journeys between Twyford and Slough towards London.
 

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For those TOCs who have rainbow boards powered by Nexus Alpha (Journeycheck) there’s a complex algorithm which drives them, based on number of trains, time of day etc.

For example a single cancellation on a route with 6 trains an hour won’t change the status but late at night when the frequency drops, it most likely will.
 

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That sort of thing is fine for single, self-contained routes like Exeter-Exmouth or the Victoria Line.
It is very misleading for something like North TransPennine when there may well be six trains per hour between Manchester and Leeds but a variety of permutations between Manchester Piccadilly and Victoria at one end and trains fanning out to Hull, Scarborough, Middlesbrough or Newcastle (or terminating at Leeds or York) at the other and you were hoping to travel to, say, Chester-le-Street from Piccadiily.
One cancellation can mean a long delay to your eventual arrival.
One word just isn’t enough (as with many customer moments of truth on the railway).
 
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