What does "OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD" mean

[Crighton]

Hi

I'm looking at tickets from Wokingham to Cravan Arms and have come across the restriction YG OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD. I think I understand YG but can anyone help with OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD please?

Also, it looks like I can route a NOT LONDON ticket via Newport (WX+LW) or Birmingham (RB+CA) - would that be your understanding with the above restriction?

Thanks in advance

 

[alistairlees]

Hi

I'm looking at tickets from Wokingham to Cravan Arms and have come across the restriction YG OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD. I think I understand YG but can anyone help with OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD please?

Also, it looks like I can route a NOT LONDON ticket via Newport (WX+LW) or Birmingham (RB+CA) - would that be your understanding with the above restriction?

Thanks in advance

Where have you seen this?

 

[ess]

Looks like it's from here

Look up fares for any train journey in Britain

Full details of all British rail Single, Return & Season tickets and Travelcards. Built-in Season Ticket Calculator.

www.brfares.com

Restriction code YG doesn't really help decipher it

Train Ticket Types | National Rail

Train tickets types explained – find out which ticket you need for your journey: Advance, Off-Peak, Anytime, Season ticket, Flexi Season ticket and more.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[alistairlees]

I imagine that it means "Off-Peak from London & South East to [the] Marches, via Hereford". 'The Marches' is the border area of Wales and England.

Anyway, it's just text. You don't need to analyse it or interpret it. It doesn't have any enforcement value and is not displayed in journey planners.

 

[Crighton]

Correct, it was from brfares.com with the routes from Yellow Pages of the routing guide. Thank you for confirming it doesn’t have enforcement value. There seem to be a few similar ones from London area and I just couldn’t find it referenced so thanks again.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Would have to travel via Hereford with that particular ticket?

 

[Haywain]

Would have to travel via Hereford with that particular ticket?

Only if the Routeing Guide rules indicate that it must be used that way, which seems unlikely. The wording from the restriction code, while not forming part of the restriction, probably indicate that Craven Arms is one of a cluster of destinations around Hereford sharing the fares and using YG.

 

[JB_B]

As per above, these restrictions codes have no bearing on routeing. ( There are route:+Any Permitted tickets from the south east which have restriction YG but which don't require travel via Hereford.)

I'm not sure what purpose these (generally non-public) descriptions of restriction codes serve - as a guess maybe they're useful as a sort of sanity check for ticket issuing staff or as a sort of "note to self" for the pricing managers who created them.

 

[Doctor Fegg]

Well that's nuts. Thanks to that, I've learned there's a cheaper single from Oxford to Church Stretton (Super Offpeak, £36.80) than the cheapest from Charlbury to Church Stretton (Anytime, £44.60)...

 

[Watershed]

Well that's nuts. Thanks to that, I've learned there's a cheaper single from Oxford to Church Stretton (Super Offpeak, £36.80) than the cheapest from Charlbury to Church Stretton (Anytime, £44.60)...

You can see why, when you consider the pricing policy of the TOCs that set those fares - the former is set by GWR whilst the latter is set by TfW.

For longer distance flows (those with an SVR and no SDR) TfW generally price their single fares at 70-80% of the SVR. Whereas GWR price their longer distance single fares at around 55% of the equivalent return.

I'm not sure what purpose these (generally non-public) descriptions of restriction codes serve - as a guess maybe they're useful as a sort of sanity check for ticket issuing staff or as a sort of "note to self" for the pricing managers who created them.

I imagine it's purely something designed for ease of reference by the Pricing Manager, which they don't necessarily expect to enter the public domain.

 

[Bread & cheese]

I'm looking at tickets from Wokingham to Cravan Arms and have come across the restriction YG OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD. I think I understand YG but can anyone help with OP LSE TO MARCHES VIA HFD please?

Also, it looks like I can route a NOT LONDON ticket via Newport (WX+LW) or Birmingham (RB+CA) - would that be your understanding with the above restriction?

Wokingham to Craven Arms route Not Via London is valid via Newport, via Birmingham, or via Evesham.

This journey has some odd tickets.
There are tickets routed + Via Hereford, but if you're going via Hereford, you wouldn't go via London.
There are advance singles by route + AWC & Connections and by route XC & Connections, but not for travelling via Newport (the quickest route) or via Evesham.

 

[XAM2175]

I'm not sure what purpose these (generally non-public) descriptions of restriction codes serve - as a guess maybe they're useful as a sort of sanity check for ticket issuing staff or as a sort of "note to self" for the pricing managers who created them.

I imagine it's purely something designed for ease of reference by the Pricing Manager, which they don't necessarily expect to enter the public domain.

Yes, they're aides-mémoire for the purpose or intention of the restriction, and you're definitely not expected to look too closely. One of ScotRail's restrictions for Strathclyde-region Off-Peak Day Returns is "H9 SCR CHEAPDAY KYLE OF LOCH LINE", for example - of somewhat questionable relevance when you're just making a quick trip from Glasgow to Paisley and back

 

[Doctor Fegg]

You can see why, when you consider the pricing policy of the TOCs that set those fares - the former is set by GWR whilst the latter is set by TfW.

For longer distance flows (those with an SVR and no SDR) TfW generally price their single fares at 70-80% of the SVR. Whereas GWR price their longer distance single fares at around 55% of the equivalent return.

Indeed. When I did Charlbury–Church Stretton regularly, I used to split at Ludlow for the same reason, which was a worthwhile saving.

 

[SargeNpton]

The purpose of this restriction code is just to define the times during which arrival or departure at various stations is barred.

There will be a separate route code for each journey to say which routes can/can't be used.