not a bad callMy money is on Custom House.
Given its location next to ExCeL, and the direct link to Heathrow (and one change for Luton, Stansted and Gatwick), I can't see it myself. Could be wrong though!Just for fun, which core station do you guys think will have the least usage per annum over the next few years? My money is on Custom House.
Just for fun, which core station do you guys think will have the least usage per annum over the next few years? My money is on Custom House.
I'd say that was a safe bet. It will be busy when events are on, but they aren't every dayJust for fun, which core station do you guys think will have the least usage per annum over the next few years? My money is on Custom House.
Just for fun, which core station do you guys think will have the least usage per annum over the next few years? My money is on Custom House.
What do you define as the core? I'm tempted to suggest Hanwell, but I'm not sure if you regard that as 'core'.
I think Custom House will get a fair bit of usage - it's not just Excel, there's quite a lot of housing and some large blocks of flats around there - and I'd expect Custom House to see a lot of changing trains with the DLR too - people from all the other stations on the Beckton branch changing to Crossrail to get into central London.
Having said that, pretty much *every* station between Paddington and Abbey Wood/Stratford has reasons to give a very high footfall, so I could still see Custom House being the least used station in that part of the line.
Whitechapel is in the heart of the East End and is right opposite the London Hospital. It's already a busy station and Crossrail will undoubtedly generate some additional custom.Whitechapel and Woolwich only have three escalators to platform. That surely suggests they are the two with the lowest predicted entries/exits.
Whitechapel is in the heart of the East End and is right opposite the London Hospital. It's already a busy station and Crossrail will undoubtedly generate some additional custom.
Over here in Hong Kong, the East Rail line extension to Hong Kong Island (Admiralty) has 10x escalators with a similar number again stacked on top.Yes, actually I was quite surprised Whitechapel only has 3x (so 2x in the peak direction I imagine). Given the recent works at Victoria to add more escalators for a line that is far lower capacity than the Elizabeth, which now has 3x escalators up and 3x escalators down from the main entrance as well as a whole additional entrance, I do worry that some of the Crossrail stations might be lacking in escalator capacity. Even Farringdon only has 6x, which will mean 4x up in the peaks at most. I suppose one thing that might help is that the platforms and circulation areas are so large at Elizabeth Line stations, there may be sufficient space for crowds to wait at the bottom when needed.
Over here in Hong Kong, the East Rail line extension to Hong Kong Island (Admiralty) has 10x escalators with a similar number again stacked on top.
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That suggests Paddington escalators could be incredibly busy while it’s a pure terminating station, doesn’t it?I found this article a while back which I thought was interesting. Claims you can move 110 people per minute on a standard LU escalator. So that gives an exit capacity of 440 people per minute at most of the central stations with 6 escalators (2 of which could go up to each entrance), and with a train in each direction every 2.5 minutes, that suggests they expect a maximum of 550 people to get off each train at each station. That honestly seems like a capacity that could be exceeded very quickly if the line proves popular. While the official maximum capacity of a 345 is 1,500 people we all know that Londoners are willing to crush much more than that during peak hours.
That equates to around a third or a quarter of passenger on the train. I'd say that's about right for a station in the central zone, other than a major rail terminus, like say Liverpool Sta maximum of 550 people to get off each train at each station
I would have thought that the calculation is that the escalators could cope with a steady state average of 550 pax per train alighting at that service frequency, rather than a maximum, because there will be some buffer capacity within the station itself.
I found this article a while back which I thought was interesting. Claims you can move 110 people per minute on a standard LU escalator. So that gives an exit capacity of 440 people per minute at most of the central stations with 6 escalators (2 of which could go up to each entrance), and with a train in each direction every 2.5 minutes, that suggests they expect a maximum of 550 people to get off each train at each station. That honestly seems like a capacity that could be exceeded very quickly if the line proves popular. While the official maximum capacity of a 345 is 1,500 people we all know that Londoners are willing to crush much more than that during peak hours.
Where there is an odd number of escalators to gain access to stations, I would expect there to be more up escalators than down - since there will be surges of people wanting to exit a station following the arrical of a train, whereas people will generally be arriving at the station at a more steady rate. This helps to manage platform occupancy, reducing the risk of over-crowding, potentially reulting in a need to close entrances to impacted platforms / stations.From 1994 to 2001 my office was near Bond Street and during the morning rush it was not uncommon for the next Jubilee line train to be arriving and discharging passengers before previous trains passengers had managed to get on the escalators (at the time was just 3 escalators, 2 up, one down) for both exiting and interchange with central line) so central concourse and cross passages would be solid with people waiting to exit. Sometimes (usually about 8:50am) would still be trying to get off the platform into cross passages whilst next train was arriving. This was at a station built in mid 1970s, just 15-20 years old, not some 100 year old design
So very intensive, high usage surges do happen, even if only last 20-30 minutes. Possibly flexible hours (rather than norm of 9am starts) means it has not been as bad in more recent times.
I suspect that Custom House will pick up quite a bit of the traffic currently on the DLR there, changing there rather than elsewhere, and possibly some backtracking from Canning Town, busiest DLR station, an easier interchange than elsewhere.Just for fun, which core station do you guys think will have the least usage per annum over the next few years? My money is on Custom House.
I wonder how far Woolwich CrossRail is from Woolwich Arsenal?I suspect that Custom House will pick up quite a bit of the traffic currently on the DLR there, changing there rather than elsewhere, and possibly some backtracking from Canning Town, busiest DLR station, an easier interchange than elsewhere.
My guess is Woolwich Crossrail will have the least usage. No DLR, no exhibition centre, rather a depressed neighbourhood, no connection with main line which is not easier at Abbey Wood.
About a 5 minute walkI wonder how far Woolwich CrossRail is from Woolwich Arsenal?
Ok thanks. So that's similar to Canary Wharf where CrossRail is about 5 minutes walk from the Jubilee Line.About a 5 minute walk
AFAICS it’s very close to the Royal Arsenal development site. Much closer than the stations actually named after the arsenal, which is a bit weird…I wonder how far Woolwich CrossRail is from Woolwich Arsenal?
There was a bit of construction down there the last time I was in the area which forced a detour round to the development, which is when I noticed the Crossrail station.AFAICS it’s very close to the Royal Arsenal development site. Much closer than the stations actually named after the arsenal, which is a bit weird…
Measuring it in Google Maps, 225 metres, which is less than the length of a Crossrail platform.I wonder how far Woolwich CrossRail is from Woolwich Arsenal?
Entrance road to entrance road, or platform to platform? It needs crossing the main A206 dual carriageway and several side streets.About a 5 minute walk
I wonder how far Woolwich CrossRail is from Woolwich Arsenal?
Just over the road. It is a oddity however with the Woolwich Elizabeth line station being in Woolwich Arsenal, and Woolwich Arsenal DLR/Rail station being outside it
Wouldn't most of those be transfers from Southeastern? They will change at Abbey Wood from TuesdayBefore the pandemic, Woolwich Arsenal was one of the busiest DLR stations with 8 million passengers per year. I would wager a good % of those might switch to the Elizabeth Line station.
Wouldn't most of those be transfers from Southeastern? They will change at Abbey Wood from Tuesday