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Why can't I buy an e-ticket/smartcard ticket from Kemsley to St Albans?

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Bungle73

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Just had a little overnight trip to St. Albans, but I was forced to buy a standard ticket from the TVM at the station, instead my preferred method of buying online and having the ticket in my possession before I get there.

I noticed there are barcode readers on the barriers at St. Albans, so how come? :s
 
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Just had a little overnight trip to St. Albans, but I was forced to buy a standard ticket from the TVM at the station, instead my preferred method of buying online and having the ticket in my possession before I get there. I noticed there are barcode readers on the barriers at St. Albans, so how come? :s
The journey has the option of travelling on London Underground and therefore isn't enabled for anything other than paper tickets.
 

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Just had a little overnight trip to St. Albans, but I was forced to buy a standard ticket from the TVM at the station, instead my preferred method of buying online and having the ticket in my possession before I get there. I noticed there are barcode readers on the barriers at St. Albans, so how come? :s
Fares which are intended to permit a cross-London transfer (i.e. that have a Maltese Cross - as is the case for a Kemsley to St Albans ticket) are generally not enabled for e-ticket fulfilment. This is because TfL and the industry body, RDG, are still squabbling about who fronts the cost of installing e-ticket scanners at their gatelines and how it will work from a technological standpoint. It's the best part of a decade since e-tickets were introduced...

A limited number of cross-London fares are available for smartcard fulfilment, but this relies on the train company that prices the fare having enabled this. This isn't the case for Kemsley to St Albans therefore the only way of fulfilling such a ticket is via Credit Card Sized Tickets (CCST), which can only be obtained at a ticket office or ticket machine (either by direct purchase or via the Ticket on Departure, TOD, system).

Even where cross-London fares are available for smartcard fulfilment, there are lots of hoops to jump through - you need to have obtained a smartcard beforehand, it needs to be from the right company/retailer, you need to buy your ticket in good time to allow it to make its way into the fulfilment system, and you then need to load the ticket onto the smartcard prior to travel at a reader, gateline or using a compatible mobile device.

To put it mildly, the industry has a long way to go before it gets things right here.
 

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I see. Thanks. I don't suppose there's any way I can manipulate the info I put into the system to get it to spit out a ticket that can be used digitally for this journey?

Not sure why they can't spend more time fixing things like this that need fixing, instead of things that don't (I'm looking at you LNER.......).
 

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I see. Thanks. I don't suppose there's any way I can manipulate the info I put into the system to get it to spit out a ticket that can be used digitally for this journey?

Not sure why they can't spend more time fixing things like this that need fixing, instead of things that don't (I'm looking at you LNER.......).
Not for a through ticket, unfortunately. You'd need to buy split tickets such that neither ticket permits use of the Underground; only then would the constituent tickets be enabled for e-ticket fulfilment.

Splitting at the London Terminal where you change from Southeastern to Thameslink would therefore do - for example at London Bridge or St Pancras, depending on whether you want to use HS1 or the 'classic line'. You'd buy a Kemsley (KML) to London Terminals (LON) ticket ("Plus High Speed" or "Not via HS1" as per your routing preference) and then a London Thameslink (THK) to St Albans (SAC) ticket.

However, there's a considerable cost to this convenience - and even more so if you want to be able to use HS1. For example, even a KEM-LON Off-Peak Return (SVR) with route "Not via HS1" costs £32.40, whilst a THK-SAC SVR costs £23.20, making for a total of £55.60; this is £15.50 more than the through CDR from KML to SAC costing £40.10. You also lose the flexibility of being able to use the Underground in case of disruption.
 

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A limited number of cross-London fares are available for smartcard fulfilment, but this relies on the train company that prices the fare having enabled this. This isn't the case for Kemsley to St Albans therefore the only way of fulfilling such a ticket is via Credit Card Sized Tickets (CCST), which can only be obtained at a ticket office or ticket machine (either by direct purchase or via the Ticket on Departure, TOD, system).
Having queried this with Cubic (suspecting a possible gate fault) when a customer said they'd had a cross-London ticket issued on a Smartcard rejected at both LU and the receiving TOC's barriers, they advised me that LU barriers are generally only configured to accept Travelcards and Season tickets on Smartcard. As such, cross-London journeys shouldn't be enabled for Smartcard fulfillment either.
 

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A limited number of cross-London fares are available for smartcard fulfilment, but this relies on the train company that prices the fare having enabled this. This isn't the case for Kemsley to St Albans therefore the only way of fulfilling such a ticket is via Credit Card Sized Tickets (CCST), which can only be obtained at a ticket office or ticket machine (either by direct purchase or via the Ticket on Departure, TOD, system).
I believe that Kemsley to St Albans is available for fullfillment on the Key but like most journeys in the southeast not for Off Peak Returns. The Southeastern App will definantly sell me a single or cheap day return for the journey.
 

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Having queried this with Cubic (suspecting a possible gate fault) when a customer said they'd had a cross-London ticket issued on a Smartcard rejected at both LU and the receiving TOC's barriers, they advised me that LU barriers are generally only configured to accept Travelcards and Season tickets on Smartcard. As such, cross-London journeys shouldn't be enabled for Smartcard fulfillment either.
I had exactly this with a New Eltham to Oxford ticket on a smart card. Southeast (who issued the smart card) have recently said:

Our Service providers have looked into this and can see the issue is because the journey from New Eltham to Oxford is not enabled for Break of Journey or vice versa. This is down to a date issue and will take some time to fix. This change would have to go through transport for London (TFL) as London Bridge is a in boundary station and needs TFL approval. This is being looked into but we have no date when this issue will be fixed as we are waiting for TFL for an update. In the mean time our Service Providers advise if you need to travel on this route, it would be best to use a paper ticket.

This is more info than I was expecting (GWR just said "shrug"), but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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