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Why is this freight train diverted so often?

Class15

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Hi all,

This week there is a new 4M03 Tilbury to Trafford Park intermodal, operated by Freightliner.

It is booked to go via Forest Gate, Canonbury and Kentish Town West. It did this on Monday, but since Tuesday it has been traversing the Gospel Oak to Barking route the whole way instead.

Can anyone explain why this is? Lack of route knowledge? Problem with the line between Forest Gate and Woodgrange Park? Making up time is definitely not relevant here as it hasn’t been running late any of the four days.

Here is a realtime trains link for today: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R64098/2025-04-11/detailed

Thanks.
 
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Freightmaster

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You have to ask the opposite question - why would a signaller run it via Stratford,
which entails crossing over all the running lines between Forest Gate and Stratford,
when it can run via the GOBLIN without any such conflicts?


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You have to ask the opposite question - why would a signaller run it via Stratford,
which entails crossing over all the running lines between Forest Gate and Stratford,
when it can run via the GOBLIN without any such conflicts?


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Then why is it pathed via Stratford if they’re never going to run it that way?
 

The Planner

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Then why is it pathed via Stratford if they’re never going to run it that way?
Depends if the signaller is finding a margin that isn't compliant in the timetable. Thats their risk based on their experience and knowledge.
 

Adrian Barr

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I think it would be unusual for a signaller to re-route a freight train that was booked via Stratford onto the GOBLIN or vice versa, without the route control and freight operator being involved and a specific reason for doing it, such as route knowledge or infrastructure faults as mentioned in the initial post. In this case I suspect it was more to do with the potential for delay when routed through Stratford, as noted by Freightmaster.

Looking at freight trains running between Barking and Stratford between 06:00 and 22:00 on Monday 7th, the majority of trains running this way are doing so to access the Canonbury curve onto the ECML (4E24 London Gateway - Leeds, 4E07 London Gateway - Doncaster Railport, 4E39 Tilbury LCT - Wakefield, 4E97 London Gateway - Rotherham). With the exception of 4M03, it's not until 4S60 21:15 London Gateway - Coatbridge that a freight train runs from Barking via Stratford to Gospel Oak (and that doesn't pass through Stratford until after 22:00).

4M03 on Monday 7th was 10 minutes late through Woodgrange Park - a quick look at trains on the main line between Stratford and Shenfield around this time reveals that in the eastbound direction it delayed 1P40 by 3 minutes, 1N28 by 3 minutes, and 2K60 by 3 minutes. In the westbound direction it delayed 1K75, 9Y47, 1N41 all by 4 minutes each. These are not huge delays, but passing through Stratford at 15:21 on a weekday, those sort of delays can ripple out into the evening peak and cause further delays to be attributed to 4M03, especially with Crossrail trains added to the mix.

It's possible that it was agreed between Network Rail and Freightliner that it would be better to re-route the train via South Tottenham for the rest of the week, "under control arrangements" without new schedules being created. Unless everything is running on time through Stratford, it must be a headache to signal freight trains through there to and from Barking during the day.

Then why is it pathed via Stratford if they’re never going to run it that way?

That would be the next logical question! As noted, 4M03 was running on STP schedules all week, so it's not an established WTT path. On the days it ran via South Tottenham, there were delays to 2J74 (14:48 Barking Riverside to Gospel Oak) on the 8th and 11th, but on the 9th and 10th it looks like it was possible to have 4M03 be on time through Tilbury Town, give it a clear run through Barking and be over 10 minutes early at Woodgrange Park, allowing it to get ahead of 2J74 without delaying it (which I guess is the sort of "margin that isn't compliant in the timetable" mentioned by The Planner).

In summary... I suspect that on paper the path via South Tottenham didn't work and the one via Stratford did, but in reality sending it via Stratford revealed an undesirable performance risk that they preferred to avoid by sending it via the GOBLIN for the rest of the week.
 

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Thank you all very much for your replies, and in particular @Adrian Barr for such a detailed post relating to my query. I see that yesterday, it used its booked route which was interesting but it was on time at Woodgrange Park rather than early which is probably why.
 

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4M03 ran happily via Stratford on Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday this week, so perhaps I was overthinking it and the reason for the diversions last week was something more straightforward like route knowledge...

Either that, or after a few days of running on time / early from Tilbury last week they were happy to send it via Stratford again.

It was diverted via the GOBLIN again yesterday, but I think I'll give up speculating why!
 

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4M03 ran happily via Stratford on Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday this week, so perhaps I was overthinking it and the reason for the diversions last week was something more straightforward like route knowledge...

Either that, or after a few days of running on time / early from Tilbury last week they were happy to send it via Stratford again.

It was diverted via the GOBLIN again yesterday, but I think I'll give up speculating why!
Certainly wasn’t happily via Stratford as it’s being run too long for the booked hold at Forest Gate Jn and overhangs Woodgrange Park, and the forcing via Gospel Oak also doesn’t work as there isn’t a gap for it to run in.
 

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When I lived around North London about seven years ago this seemed to happen quite routinely with freight. Certain services always seemed to go on the GOBLIN line despite booked to come past the conveniently situated playground adjacent to the line in Dalston where I’d be with my two-year-old son. I think the stone train out of Chelmsford was a frequent offender, when it actually ran.
 

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When I lived around North London about seven years ago this seemed to happen quite routinely with freight. Certain services always seemed to go on the GOBLIN line despite booked to come past the conveniently situated playground adjacent to the line in Dalston where I’d be with my two-year-old son. I think the stone train out of Chelmsford was a frequent offender, when it actually ran.

Unlikely unless it was diverted via Coppermill Jn as there is no route from GEML directly to the T&H between Ilford and Leytonstone High Road.
 

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