MK Tom
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I was wondering why the new Sheffield Class 399 doesn't have yellow ends. I'm guessing this is why!
Which headlight, night or day?
What if the headlight fails?
What if we need to make a wrong direction move and to comply with the rules and regs we have to leave the whites/headlight on at the rear?
I could go on!
Which is why until there is an entire fleet of trains with compliant headlights (class 345), you probably won't see liveries without it
As has been pointed out this is all well and good until the headlight fails.
Here we go again. Anti enthusiasts!! Nobody cares what you think!! I know I don't!
Someone obviously does care otherwise the RSSB wouldn't have wasted all that time and money in consulting on, investigating, and implementing the change to their standards.
Why can't silver strips such as those on Hi-vis jackets be added to the trains. Surely the brighter they are, the easier to see at night?
I think the yellow should stay, standard safety schemes should not be replaced by company branding unless a study has found that Yellow ends aren't safer.
I think the truth is somewhere between the extremes of your's and Ash's position...
I don't think painting all the trains s*** brown in a industry which many passengers consider to be s*** would go unnoticed or be beneficial. If you're painting the trains, which you've got to do nowadays, it makes no sense not to make them look smart. Impressions do count, but in the grand scheme of things a normal train livery isn't normally going to make any great impression on your average passenger. It is what it is.
Plus I think most people who travel frequently vaguely know the colour of the train/TOC they'd normally travel on. Just go to somewhere like Birmingham New Street where you'll see the majority of people not jumping onto incorrect trains, even if the screens suggest they should. While I'd agree many people leave their consciousness behind when they enter the railway, I believe your level of unawareness is fairly uncommon, particularly unusual given your further interest in the railway.
Pendolino looks quite nice without the yellow front. (poor photoshop haha)
As has been pointed out this is all well and good until the headlight fails.
Powerful lights could also blind passing drivers (on adacent lines) look at those car drivers who leave their full beam headlights on inconsiderately to see what I mean.
You cant state it is less safe without having them can you as you have never worked without them have you?
Of the view that although it's not the end of the world if the yellow front fiasco comes about...
To quote Los Angeles Metro:
"We have chosen an eyecatching replacement paint scheme, used in the United Kingdom which we feel better helps Drivers, Bicyclists and Pedestrians easily identify an approaching train"
De ja vous.....
Would you care to explain because I have no idea what you're talking about
I saw a pic once of a Networker that had the yellow photoshopped out for white and it looked wierd
Thanks for your contribution... yeah it was one of Burkitt's photoshops.
Mojo's comment isn't difficult to make sense of.
Yellow paint can do no harm, if it gives even the slightest advantage to those who work on the track. Even if only in certain conditions of weather or angle of approach it should stay.
I like the caption "Several attempts have been made to drop the required yellow panel, the early class 150/2s and the Heathrow Express class 332s being notable examples. What if modern headlights had been deemed sufficient and BR had managed to do away with the requirement?".
I've seen the original Heathrow Express mock up, does anyone have a copy of the 150/2 without yellow?
I saw a pic once of a Networker that had the yellow photoshopped out for white and it looked wierd
What happens now if a headlamp fails at night?
Those powerful lights are fitted now.
I like the caption "Several attempts have been made to drop the required yellow panel, the early class 150/2s and the Heathrow Express class 332s being notable examples. What if modern headlights had been deemed sufficient and BR had managed to do away with the requirement?".
I've seen the original Heathrow Express mock up, does anyone have a copy of the 150/2 without yellow?
I also got the impression that LED lights didn't penetrate well in mist and fog.
I think that you are thinking about LED signals, which ISTR aren't all that liked by drivers for the reasons you state. But I thought that it was more down to lenses than the LEDs themselves (the lack of lenses on led signals mean the light is just scattered, rather than focused into a beam). If you put a lens in front of an LED cluster, it should be able to penetrate the mist and fog as well as your regular piece of glowing filament.
Because people with letters after their names know best despite never actually having been on the tracks looking for an approaching train!To an outsider this reads very much as the last bastion of entrenched opinion and very little reasoned argument. All I get is that the standards have changed and people don't like it because 'they know better'.
If that's the case, then why aren't 'they' writing the standards? Is there really that much distance between the guys on the ground and those writing the regulations?
Near enough yes, The Dorman ones are blindingly bright at night but useless in thick fog whether day or night!I think the general feeling that the LED heads (e.g. the common Dorman ones) are useless in fog (and some other conditions). However, where LEDs have been installed in existing heads (e.g. southern end of the ECML), the feeling is it's a considerable improvement.
The yellow should stay, always as a back up to lights failing etc, even with imposed speed restrictions that comes with defective end lights why wouldn't you want another safety feature