May 17 timetable changes

[Bungle965]

No Huddersfield.

Would it be reasonable then to assume that this would go via the Calder Valley?
Sam

 

[Ianno87]

No Huddersfield.

Possibly to allow for diversion via the Calder Valley for overnight engineering works?

 

[NorthernSpirit]

I believe TPE will run an extra train from Hull when the May 2017 timetable comes into force.

It leaves Hull at 2230 ish and calls at Brough, Selby, Leeds, Dewsbury and Manchester Victoria (0030).

Surely that TPE could have called at Brighouse as a subsitute for Huddersfield.

 

[Bungle965]

Possibly to allow for diversion via the Calder Valley for overnight engineering works?

Would it be reasonable then to assume that this would go via the Calder Valley?
Sam

To answer my own question it appears that it will be.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y09081/2017/05/29/advanced
Sam

 

[Ianno87]

Surely that TPE could have called at Brighouse as a subsitute for Huddersfield.

May not have rights to do so (plus Brighouse isn't a great substitute for Huddersfield geographically). Plus need to allow for running directly via Huddersfield when the Calder Valley is unavailable.

 

[PHILIPE]

Possibly to allow for diversion via the Calder Valley for overnight engineering works?

Yes, via Calder Valley. Just looked at RTT to check.

 

[Starmill]

The new train from Hull is 5 minutes ahead of the current service to Manchester Airport at Leeds, so I can't imagine there is a pressing need for it to go to Manchester. Instead, it probably does what it does because its convenient for TPE. There is a train just 5 minutes behind that goes to Huddersfield. The real, pressing need for such a service is to add a later Hull to Selby or Leeds service, as the current 2138 is very poor.

 

[PHILIPE]

The new train from Hull is 5 minutes ahead of the current service to Manchester Airport at Leeds, so I can't imagine there is a pressing need for it to go to Manchester. Instead, it probably does what it does because its convenient for TPE. There is a train just 5 minutes behind that goes to Huddersfield. The real, pressing need for such a service is to add a later Hull to Selby or Leeds service, as the current 2138 is very poor.

Probably needs to go to Manchester for maintenance purposes and balance up units for the next day.

 

[70014IronDuke]

In addition to Grantham and Lincoln line improvements on Sundays in the East Midlands area, Matlock now gains an 0756 Derby to Matlock and 0838 Matlock to Nottingham all year around.

Grantham line services are also vastly improved in the September change when Skegness services are pared back with departures at 0815, 0915, 1000 and 1115 Nottingham to Grantham, and 0900, 1001, 1045 and 1201 from Grantham to Nottingham.

These latter changes apply on a Sunday too, do they? If so, very interesting, as the Sunday morning winter service currently is non-existent, so some sort of service is long overdue. Are these new trains stoppers or what? Is this an EMT initiative (excellent and good for them if so) or a DfT requirement, do you know?

 

[TheBigD]

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[Starmill]

The timetable is pretty sensible for the rest of the week! Could do with a much later train from Nottingham to Grantham than 2051 though...

 

[Mugby]

The new train from Hull is 5 minutes ahead of the current service to Manchester Airport at Leeds, so I can't imagine there is a pressing need for it to go to Manchester. Instead, it probably does what it does because its convenient for TPE. There is a train just 5 minutes behind that goes to Huddersfield. The real, pressing need for such a service is to add a later Hull to Selby or Leeds service, as the current 2138 is very poor.

I sometimes travel on the 22.35 from Leeds to Man Pic and it usually gets impossibly overcrowded, an extra service five minutes before it might help even if it only takes some of the Dewsbury passengers.

I can imagine many of the Huddersfield lot getting on it though, thinking it's their train!

 

[Class 170101]

May not have rights to do so (plus Brighouse isn't a substitute for Huddersfield geographically). Plus need to allow for running directly via Huddersfield when the Calder Valley is unavailable.

TPE already call at Brighouse when Huddersfield is blocked. So I doubt this is an issue. Probably a saving on bus costs. Similar to 23:30 Kings Cross to Leeds not calling at Wakefield Westgate.

 

[Starmill]

TPE already call at Brighouse when Huddersfield is blocked. So I doubt this is an issue. Probably a saving on bus costs. Similar to 23:30 Kings Cross to Leeds not calling at Wakefield Westgate.

Or it could be because there is already a train to Huddersfield, 5 minutes behind this one. As I just pointed out.

 

[Starmill]

I sometimes travel on the 22.35 from Leeds to Man Pic and it usually gets impossibly overcrowded, an extra service five minutes before it might help even if it only takes some of the Dewsbury passengers.

I can imagine many of the Huddersfield lot getting on it though, thinking it's their train!

It's hell on earth - and usually full and standing, so this will help some Leeds > Dewsbury passengers I'm sure.

 

[bunnahabhain]

These latter changes apply on a Sunday too, do they? If so, very interesting, as the Sunday morning winter service currently is non-existent, so some sort of service is long overdue. Are these new trains stoppers or what? Is this an EMT initiative (excellent and good for them if so) or a DfT requirement, do you know?

I believe the only station call is at Bingham, however I stand to be corrected.

The timetable is pretty sensible for the rest of the week! Could do with a much later train from Nottingham to Grantham than 2051 though...

There used to be one, 2305 Nottingham to Grantham, it was withdrawn many years ago because it cost more money in cleaning up the damaged trains, staff and passengers than it ever made and was resulting in a unit being put out of service the next day for repairs/deep clean.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

The timetable is pretty sensible for the rest of the week! Could do with a much later train from Nottingham to Grantham than 2051 though...

The gap between the 1844 and 2034 departures isn't great either.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Is it just a glitch but I can't find any through services from Paddington to Newquay on a summer Saturday yet.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Is it just a glitch but I can't find any through services from Paddington to Newquay on a summer Saturday yet.

I half thought I read that those were not continuing.

 

[PHILIPE]

Is it just a glitch but I can't find any through services from Paddington to Newquay on a summer Saturday yet.

Look here on RTT

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=GW

They are also in Journey Planner on NRE Site but which only goes up to June 3rd at the moment.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Is there a separate thread to discuss December 17 timetable changes, since that's going to be far more significant than May 17, especially in the north?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Is there a separate thread to discuss December 17 timetable changes, since that's going to be far more significant than May 17, especially in the north?

There's the odd route or TOC-specific thread knocking about for December 2017 but not a general one like this. It's become something of an unofficial forum tradition to create an appropriate thread for each change, so feel free...

 

[berneyarms]

Is there a separate thread to discuss December 17 timetable changes, since that's going to be far more significant than May 17, especially in the north?

To be fair this thread and its predecessors are really aimed at looking at the specific timetable changes that are taking place, once the timetables become public knowledge, and for detailing when the public timetables for each TOC and National Rail become available.

They usually kick off from 12 weeks of the relevant timetable changes.

As above there are other threads about the various TOC plans for the future.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Look here on RTT

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=GW

They are also in Journey Planner on NRE Site but which only goes up to June 3rd at the moment.

That appears to be missing the CrossCountry services? I believe they will be similar to last summer.

Just in case anyone is interested, Summer Sats there will be a 0706 Paddington-Penzance and 1307 Penzance-Paddington this year and the Sprinter works Exeter-Newquay and Newquay-Plymouth instead of the other way around. There will also be a new 1139 Plymouth-Paddington to relieve the 0954 Penzance-Paddington which was heavily overcrowded last summer.

 

[PHILIPE]

That appears to be missing the CrossCountry services? I believe they will be similar to last summer.

Just in case anyone is interested, Summer Sats there will be a 0706 Paddington-Penzance and 1307 Penzance-Paddington this year and the Sprinter works Exeter-Newquay and Newquay-Plymouth instead of the other way around. There will also be a new 1139 Plymouth-Paddington to relieve the 0954 Penzance-Paddington which was heavily overcrowded last summer.

The XC services are here:-

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC

That's both GWR and XC in RTT

 

[mikestone1952]

It would appear that the 06.51 EDB-EUS is to be a 390, utilising the set which previously went ECS from Glasgow to Preston to do the first Lancaster-Euston.
It's not shown to turn en route to EDB ECS, nor is anything shown to turn going in to Polmadie the previous night.
What I cannot weigh up is where the 221s go - one could go on the 08.51, assuming Waverley has a hole for a ten car, but the only other working is the 05.50 GLC-EUS, which still appears to attach at Wolves.
This move also appears to cancel 5A24 Longsight-Euston, occasionally utilised to cover failures.
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Elsewhere the 06.20 Rugby-Euston starts back from New Street, which will surely upset its existing users, especially when it runs five vice ten.

 

[Chrism20]

The 0651 currently arrives in Waverley from the east having come from Polmadie via the south sub although at that time there should be no issue getting a 390 into Waverley from the west.

The 0851 would definitely be a candidate for doubling it can be very busy leaving Edinburgh some mornings and I've frequently seen the one first class carriage over 70% occupied on departure so there is definitely scope there. Platform space for it wouldn't be an issue, it usually uses P8 which is normal for VT services and there is nothing booked for the opposite end whilst the 0851 is on the platform.

Re the other 221, it could possibly be solved by only sending one North the night before. The 1643 Euston to Edinburgh most days could probably cope with being a single North of Birmingham or Crewe. That would allow something further south to be strengthened or probably the early Lancaster becomes a voyager.

 

[86211]

To balance the West Coast Voyagers.

1623 Euston - Birmingham N St goes empty to Central Rivers from Birmingham.
1643 Euston - Edinburgh (two sets) will detach one set at Birmingham N St to work 1830 BirminghamN St to Euston

 

[DarloRich]

But I bet they produce more revenue - and/or e-mails to LM management.

Perhaps. However, I wouldn't like to bet on that. Numbers of London bound commuters seem to be low. Perhaps the timetable change will drive out unprecedented numbers of London season tickets...........

Do you have a source for this? It sounds as though you're citing a study of some sort, but it's difficult to tell how seriously to take your concerns without knowing what it looked at or found.

I am citing being a user of the train every day and watching where the passengers go. At Bletchley most go to the MK platform or leave the station. It is entirely anecdotal but then no study has been commissioned on passenger numbers so it is as good as you will get.

Someone from the rail users group was on the train this morning telling everyone about the change. Most were unhappy with many saying that they will stop using the train & drive to MK as the 1 hr 21 minute journey by train ( form Bedford) that this change will create cant be justified against a 25/30 minute drive straight to work.

A small change back by a few minutes to make a better connection with the 0713 Bletchley to Euston which starts at Bletchley is much more sensible. The big change to the timetable also doesn't offer any extra connections northwards via Virgin at MKC which is maddening!

My big fear is that great the work that has been done to attract MK commuters onto branch line trains is going to be put at risk by this one change. It could set usage back years.

 

[AlanFry1]

Also remember WHL loses AGA services from May-17 until Aug-17 on matchday diversions and Northumberland Park also for matchday services non diversion.