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Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

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Unless the half hour gap in the Southports every other hour is intentional or was caused by something else, wasn’t exactly that already happening today?
Those are 'planned cancellations' apparently to facilitate crew training. They're incredibly annoying too, especially as the cancelled services are not followed by a six-car as they really ought to be.

Liverpool Central has also been evacuated just now, so another twist to the day!
 
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With apologies for using CRS, I hadn't quite grasped the rules (twice). Anyway think I have it right now. So here is what was noted earlier. Things can change of course and often have done.

N Brightons 507010 029
Southports 507001: 1257 1527 1757 etc from Southport. Others noted 007 013 014.

508104 W Kirby depart 1301 1431 1601 1731 1901 2031 2201 then Ecs Birkenhead.

Hope this helps (and hasn't changed)
 

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A couple of reports on various forums claim 507s remain until May/June. Let's not forget the 777s are still abysmally unreliable, cannot be used in eight-car formation and there are still platform works required at some stations.

As for the 508s, it could be as little as a couple more days left for 508104. If anyone's after a final ride on a 508, definitely don't delay!
 

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A couple of reports on various forums claim 507s remain until May/June. Let's not forget the 777s are still abysmally unreliable, cannot be used in eight-car formation and there are still platform works required at some stations.

As for the 508s, it could be as little as a couple more days left for 508104. If anyone's after a final ride on a 508, definitely don't delay!
Any confirmation yet on which 507 will be going with 508104 for scrap?
 

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Another five months of 507s is fine by me, at least they're actually reliable. The extra features of the 777s are pointless when they don't work, I've been on at least three units recently where the WiFi wasn't working. My phone isn't the issue, because I've tried everything I can think of to resolve the problem (unsuccessfully) and I haven't experienced any difficulties connecting to WiFi anywhere else.

Is there any idea when 508104 may be withdrawn, please? I would like to be on the last 508 service if possible.
 

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Another five months of 507s is fine by me, at least they're actually reliable. The extra features of the 777s are pointless when they don't work, I've been on at least three units recently where the WiFi wasn't working. My phone isn't the issue, because I've tried everything I can think of to resolve the problem (unsuccessfully) and I haven't experienced any difficulties connecting to WiFi anywhere else.

Is there any idea when 508104 may be withdrawn, please? I would like to be on the last 508 service if possible.
Wednesday. 508104 was on the West Kirby line today (07/01/24) and ran ECS to Birkenhead North depot tonight.

It is expected to run on the New Brighton line Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and then will be withdrawn.
 

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Wednesday. 508104 was on the West Kirby line today (07/01/24) and ran ECS to Birkenhead North depot tonight.

It is expected to run on the New Brighton line Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and then will be withdrawn.

Many thanks for that, much appreciated.
 

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Wednesday. 508104 was on the West Kirby line today (07/01/24) and ran ECS to Birkenhead North depot tonight.

It is expected to run on the New Brighton line Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and then will be withdrawn.
Many thanks indeed.

As the weekday New Brighton line 507/8 diagrams are normally run as a three-day cycle, the last passenger working of a Class 508 assuming everything holds should be the 18.53 New Brighton - Liverpool - New Brighton circuit on Wednesday. A nice, sensible hour to see it off and it gives everyone time to get home, so let's hope it goes according to plan.

If there are no plans to mark the occasion in any way, I'd gladly bring along some paper farewell notices for the cabs! :lol:
 
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Another five months of 507s is fine by me, at least they're actually reliable.
Are they though? The old units are going pop fairly regularly now whilst the 777s are improving slowly but surely.


The extra features of the 777s are pointless when they don't work, I've been on at least three units recently where the WiFi wasn't working. My phone isn't the issue, because I've tried everything I can think of to resolve the problem (unsuccessfully) and I haven't experienced any difficulties connecting to WiFi anywhere else.
The trackside network that provides a data uplink to the trains is apparently a bit behind where it should be. If that isn’t working then the trains WiFi will let you connect but wont have internet access. But also the onboard WiFi seems to be flakey anyway, probably the same Icomera junk present in other operators trains.
 

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The 508108/114 stock move has not run this morning. Anyone know the rescheduled date for this, please?
 

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508104 is working hourly departures from New Brighton from 0738 to 1838. Then xx53 from 1953 to 2253 stables New Brighton. Unless changed.

508104 is working hourly departures from New Brighton from 0738 to 1838. Then xx53 from 1953 to 2253 stables New Brighton. Unless changed.
Noted 508104 on 1038 from New Brighton. Terminated south bound at Birkenhead Nth, disruption. Restarted the same train north bound and remains in diagram.
 
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Seems to be unit trouble again. The 17:23 from Liverpool central to Southport was formed of 3 cars. Carnage would be an understatement.

This will only be compounded by the last 508 being withdrawn later in the week. Potentially a 507 too as they leave in pairs normally.
 

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You need to follow the merseyrail twitter feed to see the constant cancellations . I don't see how anyone can plan a trip on the old trains at this rate.
 

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You need to follow the merseyrail twitter feed to see the constant cancellations . I don't see how anyone can plan a trip on the old trains at this rate.
I know a lot of the attention is with the 777s and their issues. But 507 availability has been really bad for quite some time. I just refuse to be part of the madness now and use my trio to take the much longer bus ride when 3 cars
 

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I know a lot of the attention is with the 777s and their issues. But 507 availability has been really bad for quite some time. I just refuse to be part of the madness now and use my trio to take the much longer bus ride when 3 cars

508104 won’t be withdrawn this week.
 

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You need to follow the merseyrail twitter feed to see the constant cancellations . I don't see how anyone can plan a trip on the old trains at this rate.
The clear majority of cancellations continue to be caused by 777s. Today, for example, I can't see one 507/8 unit causing a cancellation yet a raft of 777-related issues. The only Southport line cancellations today were on the 777-booked duty. Yes, the 507/8s aren't reaching the reliability or availability heights of yore, but they remain vastly more reliable than the 777s if the latest stats are to be believed.

507/8 availability has admittedly not been great again in the last couple of weeks, not helped by scrap moves and a continuing need to cover 777 duties. I think the sick list on Saturday evening was most of/all: 507002/03/04/20/21/23/28/30/31. Reportedly not a single six-car set on the Southport line this evening which plumbs new depths; they must be perilously close to having to drop services now for shortage of stock.
 

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I know a lot of the attention is with the 777s and their issues. But 507 availability has been really bad for quite some time.
Yes, there are lots of fans of the legacy fleet here (the amount of usernames beginning with 507/508 just goes to show, haha) and thus I notice a bit of bias - the 777 faults are always moaned about, but the 507s have been problematic themselves of late!
 

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The clear majority of cancellations continue to be caused by 777s. Today, for example, I can't see one 507/8 unit causing a cancellation yet a raft of 777-related issues. The only Southport line cancellations today were on the 777-booked duty. Yes, the 507/8s aren't reaching the reliability or availability heights of yore, but they remain vastly more reliable than the 777s if the latest stats are to be believed.

507/8 availability has admittedly not been great again in the last couple of weeks, not helped by scrap moves and a continuing need to cover 777 duties. I think the sick list on Saturday evening was most of/all: 507002/03/04/20/21/23/28/30/31. Reportedly not a single six-car set on the Southport line this evening which plumbs new depths; they must be perilously close to having to drop services now for shortage of stock.
It is concerning. Really need some more 777 diagrams and a slow down of withdrawals otherwise we will be in trouble quick. Not a single 6 car will not go down well on the busier days of the week
 

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Worth noting that platform 1 at Southport is now reportedly closed for a few weeks, so I'm not sure if that has impacted tonight's six-car offering? I was told that there would be some all-day pairs on the Southport line during the closure which would be very welcome, but clearly that did not materialise today.
 

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Worth noting that platform 1 at Southport is now reportedly closed for a few weeks, so I'm not sure if that has impacted tonight's six-car offering? I was told that there would be some all-day pairs on the Southport line during the closure which would be very welcome, but clearly that did not materialise today.
To be honest there was no spare units on Kirkdale even for maintenance at 6pm and there was a couple of 6 cars this morning. I suspect like Saturday it’s a shortage above anything
 

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To be honest there was no spare units on Kirkdale even for maintenance at 6pm and there was a couple of 6 cars this morning. I suspect like Saturday it’s a shortage above anything
Not overly surprising as 507/8s are uncommon at Kirkdale nowadays during the weekday off-peak. One or two sometimes briefly stay there for washing or between stock moves, but that's about it.
 

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