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Manchester Metrolink (Non speculative discussion)

Greybeard33

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Is there any reason why the works should prevent Bury-Piccadilly services running? There is a Crumpsall to Ashton service listed, so it's clearly possible to run that route.
The Altrincham - Piccadilly service has to be diverted, and the logical place to send it is Bury in place of the Bury - Piccadilly. A 6 minute Picc - Vic headway is provided by the Ashton - Crumpsall and Etihad - Vic services.
 
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Looks like some overhead problems at Old Trafford currently, stopping the Alty trams running onwards from there.
 

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looks like long job??
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Damage to the overhead line, caused by a third party near the Old Trafford Metrolink stop, means that there are no services between Altrincham and Piccadilly in either direction.

Engineers are on site and are working hard to fix the issue. Unfortunately, afternoon peak services on the Altrincham line will be significantly disrupted, and this is likely to last into the evening.

Ticket acceptance is in place on the 245, 263, 281 and 285 bus services and on Northern Rail services between Altrincham and the city centre. Simply show the driver your Metrolink ticket or pass when boarding.

Staff have been deployed across all city centre stops, as well as at Old Trafford, Trafford Bar and Cornbrook, to assist customers.

Trams will continue to operate between Bury and Cornbrook.
https://tfgm.com/tram-disruption-altrincham
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Damaged caused by third party???? !!!!!

Why not all allow tickets on bus links to Airport line?
Altrincham to Baguley 11 370 371
Sale to Northern Moor 19 41
Stretford to Chorlton 23 25
 

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Damaged caused by third party???? !!!!!
The mast to which the broken wire was anchored is on a strip of land (part of the old four track heavy rail alignment) that Lancashire Cricket Club has bought from TfGM. There is some construction work going on there, with heavy machinery on site.
 

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I noticed on a recent trip Metrolink seem to have started carrying out a lot more random ticket inspections, I did see a poster at one stop backing this up by 'an increase of 50%'

Have yet to see a plain clothes inspection this was just the Hi Vis army boarding at random stops (and also seemingly checking tickets on platforms (although I'm not sure what they could really do if someone chose to just do a runner in such an open space!)
 

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The Altrincham - Piccadilly service has to be diverted, and the logical place to send it is Bury in place of the Bury - Piccadilly.
But if, as suggested in this thread there's only going to be the regular 12 minute Bury-Altrincham service off-peak then they aren't being sent anywhere, they're just being cancelled. It looks like Bury is having its off-peak service cut in half.
 

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It is matters similar to what have been mentioned in the postings above that should put a hold on those expansive (yes, that is the word I meant) aspirational ideas of system expansion until it is certain that they can manage to run a proper service on the routes already in operation.
 

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But if, as suggested in this thread there's only going to be the regular 12 minute Bury-Altrincham service off-peak then they aren't being sent anywhere, they're just being cancelled. It looks like Bury is having its off-peak service cut in half.

No it isn’t?

The existing Bury-Picc and Alt-Picc services will be replaced by a Bury-Alt service every 12 minutes. Same frequency as now, different destination.

During peak hours a second Bury-Alt service will run, making up the 6 minute service.
 

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It is matters similar to what have been mentioned in the postings above that should put a hold on those expansive (yes, that is the word I meant) aspirational ideas of system expansion until it is certain that they can manage to run a proper service on the routes already in operation.

None of the expansion plans seem to be making meaningful progress. The lines with the best business cases have already been built. You are right that Metrolink need to focus on their day job. They are unlikely to run a full service across all lines for the majority of 2024.
 

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None of the expansion plans seem to be making meaningful progress. The lines with the best business cases have already been built.
The original plan included conversion of the ex-GC suburban lines in the SE quadrant of Greater Manchester. However, there seems to be a reluctance to progress connection of these lines to the existing network at Piccadilly, which would be relatively straightforward and does not require any construction within the city centre as they could be served by the trams that currently terminate at Piccadilly from Altrincham and Bury. In the meantime, 4 tram lines that require extensive street running and have many sharp curves that are very slow to negotiate have been built to serve other areas, for political reasons and with what I suspect were poorer business cases. These other routes are generally served only every 12 minutes by single cars and seem to be slower and less successful than the lines in the original plan that have been built.

Why is there such a reluctance to progress the remaining segments of the original plan, in particular conversion of the line via Reddish to Rose Hill which could be done without the use of tram-trains using parallel light and heavy rail single lines between Romiley and Marple Wharf Junction and a short reserved tramway between Piccadilly and Ashburys? There is no longer an excuse that Piccadilly station needs to be redesigned to accommodate HS2 trains arriving on a separate line now that HS2 phase 2b has been killed off. I agree that it might be better to leave the existing line to Hadfield as an electrified heavy rail line, as it extends outwith Greater Manchester and its western end is used extensively by other heavy rail services.
 
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One issue with the conversion of the Reddish North route to Metrolink is that it would be needed for a third fast service per hour between Manchester and Sheffield because we are told there are no spare paths through Stockport (although the Hope Valley locals are going via Stockport at the moment due to the Hague Bar embankment slip).
 

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They've spliced together footage from different trams to avoid repeating the same sections of track, up to that point it would have been an East Didsbury service. Notice the appearance of a bag and the wiper being parked in a different position.
I haven't watched it all but early on there's an announcement on the soundtrack "this is an Altrincham service" - perhaps a clue.
 

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One issue with the conversion of the Reddish North route to Metrolink is that it would be needed for a third fast service per hour between Manchester and Sheffield because we are told there are no spare paths through Stockport (although the Hope Valley locals are going via Stockport at the moment due to the Hague Bar embankment slip).
The Government's Network North document committed to electrification of the Hope Valley line and three fast trains per hour between Sheffield and Manchester, which as you say might well need the Reddish North line. Plans are also being developed for capacity enhancements of the Stockport line (Manchester Task Force Configuration State 4) to accommodate HS2 services to Piccadilly, now that HS2 Phase 2 has been cancelled. The Reddish North line will likely be needed as a diversionary route for the existing fast Sheffield services during work on the Stockport line. Furthermore, the HS2 cancellation has left plans for redevelopment of Piccadilly station, including the Metrolink stop, in a state of flux.
 

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No it isn’t?

The existing Bury-Picc and Alt-Picc services will be replaced by a Bury-Alt service every 12 minutes. Same frequency as now, different destination.

There's already a Bury-Alt service every 12 minutes from 7 am - 8 pm Monday-Friday and 9 am-6.30 pm on Saturdays, so for a significant majority of off-peak the "replacement" for the Bury-Picc services is something that already exists. Most of the day from Monday to Saturday there is currently a service every 6 minutes from Bury to Manchester and during these works that service will be halved outside peak times.
 

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They've spliced together footage from different trams to avoid repeating the same sections of track, up to that point it would have been an East Didsbury service. Notice the appearance of a bag and the wiper being parked in a different position.
Some trams normally make that awful motor noise then?
 

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There's already a Bury-Alt service every 12 minutes from 7 am - 8 pm Monday-Friday and 9 am-6.30 pm on Saturdays, so for a significant majority of off-peak the "replacement" for the Bury-Picc services is something that already exists. Most of the day from Monday to Saturday there is currently a service every 6 minutes from Bury to Manchester and during these works that service will be halved outside peak times.
I read it as when the Bury line gets a 6 min frequency now, during the times noted above, it will still get a 6 min frequency during the works, the difference being that they'll all go to Altrincham, rather than half to Piccadilly, half to Altrincham.
 

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There's already a Bury-Alt service every 12 minutes from 7 am - 8 pm Monday-Friday and 9 am-6.30 pm on Saturdays, so for a significant majority of off-peak the "replacement" for the Bury-Picc services is something that already exists. Most of the day from Monday to Saturday there is currently a service every 6 minutes from Bury to Manchester and during these works that service will be halved outside peak times.
No, on Metrolink "peak" times are 07:00 - 20:00 M-F, 09:00 - 18:30 Sat.
I read it as when the Bury line gets a 6 min frequency now, during the times noted above, it will still get a 6 min frequency during the works, the difference being that they'll all go to Altrincham, rather than half to Piccadilly, half to Altrincham.
Correct.
 

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No, on Metrolink "peak" times are 07:00 - 20:00 M-F, 09:00 - 18:30 Sat.

Okay, well if that's what it means then fair enough, but it's a little confusing since "peak" has a different meaning when it comes to ticketing - off-peak day tickets can be used during (some of) those times.
 

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Okay, well if that's what it means then fair enough, but it's a little confusing since "peak" has a different meaning when it comes to ticketing - off-peak day tickets can be used during (some of) those times.
I think they did used to specifically refer to the Altrincham to Bury, MediaCityUk, and Shaw & Crompton services as peak services, though they now seem to be referred to as part day services on the TFGM website
 

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Okay, well if that's what it means then fair enough, but it's a little confusing since "peak" has a different meaning when it comes to ticketing - off-peak day tickets can be used during (some of) those times.
I suggest you give them some feedback that the service pattern list ought to spell out the operating hours rather than using the ambiguous phrase "peak-time only".
 

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Announcement regarding Metrolink expansion in early June according to Burnham. Little detail in the article.


Andy Burnham gives updates on TWO new tram lines in Greater Manchester​

Mr Burnham added a formal announcement on the future of the Metrolink will be made in early June
 

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Still not sure what the point of an extention just to Stockport it, its incredible well connected to the city centre. Has anyone got photos of the provision for a tram stop at the bus station, curious if its a platform without track, or just some waste land allocated to be built on
 

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There doesn't seem to be any tram provision in the current bus station building.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the idea is to build the tram stop on the west side of the bus station. between Swaine street and the railway viaduct.

Right now that space is occupied by an electrical wholesaler called TN robinson, who would presumablly have to be moved away to make space but it doesn't look like massively high value stuff.

Quite frankly I can't see anywhere else it could go. To the north of the bus station is a river. To the east is the A6 and central stockport. To the south is the hat museum and some 6 story office buildings.
 
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Still not sure what the point of an extention just to Stockport it, its incredible well connected to the city centre. Has anyone got photos of the provision for a tram stop at the bus station, curious if its a platform without track, or just some waste land allocated to be built on
It's for travel between the outer South Manchester boroughs without going through the city centre.
There's a lot of attractions/major traffic sources on the west side of Manchester that are easily accessed from the M60 and roads coming off it (Trafford Centre/both Old Trafford football and cricket stadiums/Salford Quays).

On the other hand, the shopping centre and entertainment + govt services in Stockport town centre are the closest hub for the large populations around Didsbury/Wythenshawe etc.

The M60 struggles with congestion every day and the buses are terminally slow - the new cheaper Bee Network Bus and Tram ticket is an improvement to incentivise people to use public transport to make the journey, but it isn't perfect.
Any serious improvement in travel time would mean an express bus on the M60, and even then the stops at each junction would be distant from most of the residential areas (unlike the tram - which goes right through Didsbury, Withington, Chorlton, Trafford etc).
 

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There doesn't seem to be any tram provision in the current bus station building.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the idea is to build the tram stop on the west side of the bus station. between Swaine street and the railway viaduct.

Right now that space is occupied by an electrical wholesaler called TN robinson, who would presumablly have to be moved away to make space but it doesn't look like massively high value stuff.

Quite frankly I can't see anywhere else it could go. To the north of the bus station is a river. To the east is the A6 and central stockport. To the south is the hat museum and some 6 story office buildings.
I believe the passive provision for the tram stop is on the west side of the Interchange building, in the location currently occupied by bus stand S on Swaine Street.

The Astley Street bridge over the Mersey was constructed with passive provision for tram tracks (it is beefier than needed just for buses) and aligns with this side of the Interchange.
 

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Announcement regarding Metrolink expansion in early June according to Burnham. Little detail in the article.

"Updates" is a totally meaningless word much loved by politicians of all hues.... :rolleyes:

Right now that space is occupied by an electrical wholesaler called TN robinson, who would presumablly have to be moved away to make space but it doesn't look like massively high value stuff.
Isn't life wonderful when the fact that T N Robinson Limited who have been trading for 102 years, serving trade and private clients with a wide range of electrical products and situated in the town centre, who some people think that means nothing when saying things like "having to move away to make space"... <(
 
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